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Sorry for the repeat notes, but I was thinking it might be fun if you suggested "City of Night" as a future read in Cafe Libri. If you are looking to re-read it or just want to encourage others to read it, it might be fun. Post in this thread if you're interested in suggesting titles: http://www.shelfari.com/groups/60395/discussions/236382/Future-Reading-Lists-(used-for-monthly-voting-lists)
Thanks for recommending "City of Night" by John Rechy. Do you have a link for the review that you wrote?
Don't worry about late sending messages or posting. I don't always get to log on as often as I would like either. It takes a lot of work balancing between here, Goodreads, Yahoo, and Lunch. When you have the chance to log on and say hi or post something in Cafe Libri, that's fine. When you don't, that's ok too. :)
BTW: Do you know if there's anyway to save the information about who recommended you read a book? I was thinking about including it in the review section. I want to remind myself that you recommend it. :D
Thanks for joining Cafe Libri! Here's the standard welcome message I send to new members:
Thanks so much for joining my Cafe Libri Reading Discussion Group: http://www.shelfari.com/groups/60395/about
To learn more about Cafe Libri, read this message: http://www.shelfari.com/groups/60395/discussions/231985/Information-about-Cafe-Libri-(Yahoo-Goodreads-Shelfari-and-Lunch
Let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to introduce yourself and invite your friends over. It's a relatively new group, so it would be great to get more people chatting in there!
For more information about Cafe Libri reading groups, check out: http://sites.google.com/site/cafelibri
Sure, I think you would add something to the group. Right now, it's a blank canvas, lol. I try to keep discussion organized surrounding monthly reading topics, so if you want to read August's book, it's "The God of Small Things." Otherwise, there are some generic discussion threads, and of course you can introduce yourself to the members too. Take a look about, and see what you think. :)
Just wanted to welcome you to the Best English-Language Fiction of the Twentieth Century group – the name rolls right off the tongue doesn’t it…
Feel free join in with any of the discussions already on the board or start up a new one any time you like.
Again, glad you joined up and I look forward to picking at the threads with you.
See you around the shelves.
I can understand that. I honestly had not thought of the situation in such terms, and I do appreciate the hard work of research, believe me. In that view, I apologize. I still think that everything should be in its proper place, even though Shelfari hasn't yet provided a place for everything. The best solution for this problem would be (though I don't imagine it'll happen any time soon) a third field in the Quotes section: One for the Quote, one for the Speaker, and one for the Source. I'll post something to that effect in the Librarians discussion group.
Dude, I'm not sure what's going on here, but you seem pretty bitter and resentful over this whole exchange, and I'm honestly not sure why. As an issue of correctness (both in how the quotes system should be correctly used, and in how a quote should be correctly attributed), this discussion does not to my knowledge address anything of a personal nature. But if I may, I'll risk a single personal note, and hope you forgive me for my audacity. Don't be so cranky! Don't be so easily offended! How romantic can you be if you're a crank as well? Crankiness indicates familiarity and disillusionment, both of which are antithetical to romanticism. And familiarity is the greatest of all illusions.
You're right that the quote first appears in Gandalf's letter, but it's not the source, which is Bilbo. If I wrote a novel in which a character quoted Benjamin Franklin, would you attribute the quote to my character, or Franklin? It's the same principle here. Especially in matters of poetry; we attribute them to the ones who have composed them, not the ones who have quoted them. It's illogical to say Gandalf has another unnamed source, as (1) he knows Bilbo, who is fond of reciting his poetry, and (2) how likely is it for two different people to compose the same poem?
When I wrote you about "Speaker" v. "Source", I was addressing the proper usage of Shelfari's quote system, not the attribution of the quote in question.
And I'm not sure I ever made an argument appealing to "this is the way it's always been". Instead, I argued that "this is the way it is properly used."
I wasn't aware anyone was in a pissing match, nor that this was pettiness. As a book lover, and especially as an amateur (in all senses of that word) Tolkien scholar, I would think the attribution of a quote would be important, much more so than chapter citations. The relevant passage is in the chapter "The Council of Elrond":
Frodo felt Bilbo stir impatiently at his side. Evidently he was annoyed on his friend's behalf. Standing suddenly up he burst out:
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king._
`Not very good perhaps, but to the point – if you need more beyond the word of Elrond. If that was worth a journey of a hundred and ten days to hear, you had best listen to it.' He sat down with a snort.
`I made that up myself,' he whispered to Frodo, `for the Dúnadan, a long time ago when he first told me about himself. I almost wish that my adventures were not over, and that I could go with him when his day comes.'
Sorry, I don't know why I thought there were page numbers. But still, the main argument against all this still stands. As I said before, the field you're using is labeled "Speaker", not "Source". The Shelfari website is set up so that the character's name, if it matches the name as entered in the "Characters" section, can tie the quote to that character and represent the quote on all the relevant pages. However, this is not possible if someone continually adds extra information.
I'd like to know where you reported the situation to, so that I can make my own arguments. But I think the issue's pretty cut and dried, and that usage and custom stands on my side.
Please stop putting page numbers and book sources in the "Speaker" field for the LoTR quotations. That's not what that field is for. It's for the character's (or author's, if the book has multiple contributors) name only, so that the quotes can appear on the character page.