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Mickey M

Mickey M

High school graduate, 8 years Navy, became a child of God, carpenter 13 years, remodel houses to rent or sell now, author of two non fiction books,
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  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    Precisely what I have said; it is YOU that came to me with a verbal attack, knowing nothing about me, and you who have rejected the Word of God; therefore it is you who, sadly, is hell-bound.

    Get your life right with Christ Jesus; until then, we have nothing to talk about, as you have nothing holy in you.

    posted 2 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    Last time I looked a stone and a dove were two different objects. Nor, in the Scriptures, has a stone EVER been used as a symbol for a dove, nor for the Holy Ghost. (It HAS been used IN CONTRAST to the gift of the Holy Ghost however, the exact opposite of how YOU'RE using it.)

    Again, until you get saved and stop serving the devil (Note: even your FIRST communication to me was acidic!), you and I have nothing to discuss. As Jesus once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." [Matthew 7:6] Therefore, why should I deal with you any longer. If God has given you up and turned you over to that reprobate mind, there is nothing I, nor any other Christian, can do to help you.

    posted 2 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    As always, you are incorrect in everything you have said. In all the times I've written to you, you have responded by the misapplication of Scripture, personal "experiences" which are doubtful at best, and blasphemy against God and His works.

    Until you are saved, you will never understand the things of the Spirit; until you forsake your sins, you will always fail to read what the Word actually says (you could have at least started by paying attention to the words in the KJV english translation, but no; you instead determine to gloss over what is written and ignore the warnings of the Lord.

    So until you are saved, you and I really have nothing to talk about, other than to guide you into a new life with Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

    You mention my bookshelf... I also noticed there was no Bible on your shelf – just your own empty philosophies. I am not surprised, since you have laid the Word of God aside in favor of the doctrines of fallible man.

    Accept Christ, and THEN we can discuss the Scriptures. Until then, you are incapable of understanding them.

    posted 2 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    As always, you are incorrect in everything you have said. In all the times I've written to you, you have responded by the misapplication of Scripture, personal "experiences" which are doubtful at best, and blasphemy against God and His works.

    Until you are saved, you will never understand the things of the Spirit; until you forsake your sins, you will always fail to read what the Word actually says (you could have at least started by paying attention to the words in the KJV english translation, but no; you instead determine to gloss over what is written and ignore the warnings of the Lord.

    So until you are saved, you and I really have nothing to talk about, other than to guide you into a new life with Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

    You mention my bookshelf... I also noticed there was no Bible on your shelf – just your own empty philosophies. I am not surprised, since you have laid the Word of God aside in favor of the doctrines of fallible man.

    Accept Christ, and THEN we can discuss the Scriptures. Until then, you are incapable of understanding them.

    posted 2 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    And you are speaking from the spirit of your father, the devil.

    If you had any scriptural understanding at all, you would see that these persons who said "in thy name have we not..." actually did NONE of those things. Jesus only said they would CLAIM to have done so.

    On the other hand, He very clearly declared that those who believe would cast out devils, speak with new tongues, take up serpents, remain unharmed when they unwittingly drank any deadly thing, and would lay hands on the sick and they would recover. [Mark 16]

    He further made the statement "How can satan cast out satan?" when His detractors made the same claims you are making with me. [Mark 3:23]

    Again, you follow in the ways of your father satan. For it is he who accuses the brethren, according to Revelation 12:10. I speak the truth in Christ when I declare I only care what the Holy Ghost says. It is YOU who have ignored the Bible, you who has called the God-ordained apostles "nut cases", you who has put to naught what "thus saith the Lord", by simply ignoring the passages I have quoted to you.

    Now you call me a liar because I demand that you rightly divide the Word of Truth? How like your father you are!

    I am not blind with rage; in fact, I have been praying for you, that your eyes might be opened and you might be delivered from the doctrines of devils. I just will not attempt to convince you anymore, for you will not listen to the Word, as you have so ably proven in our correspondence; so why would you listen to any minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? The fact is that I no longer seek to convince you, simply because of the Scriptural injunction located in Titus 3:10f.

    How sad that you are the one blind – blind with sin! And satan has blinded your mind so that you cannot believe God nor accept His word in the Scriptures.

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    "Who are you that darkens counsel with words without knowledge?"

    Your mind and heart are so twisted that you cannot even speak straight, one sign of a deranged mind.

    I never said I didn't like any particular girl... another lie you have told.

    Nor was Isaac Newton saying anything related to what we spoke about.

    I saw the only book on YOUR shelf, which is from a man who is on his way to hell, since he is an enemy of the cross of Christ, and despises both the written and living Word of God.

    I KNOW that I am chosen, in agreement with Mark 16:16-20. There are no such signs following you. Get right with God, and cease from following satan as your god, and we will then have something to talk about.

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    As usual, you are taking the verses out of context. The other "Comforter" was not the Holy Spirit (as incorrectly separate from the Holy Ghost), but Jesus Himself.

    But then again, you will ALWAYS get even the simplest things wrong, and thus deny the Word of God, until you get saved. And until then, we have nothing to talk about, unless you would like me to guide you in accepting Christ as your Savior, for you have not the Spirit of Christ, and therefore, are none of His.

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    As usual, you are taking the verses out of context. The other "Comforter" was not the Holy Spirit (as incorrectly separate from the Holy Ghost), but Jesus Himself.

    But then again, you will ALWAYS get even the simplest things wrong, and thus deny the Word of God, until you get saved. And until then, we have nothing to talk about, unless you would like me to guide you in accepting Christ as your Savior, for you have not the Spirit of Christ, and therefore, are none of His.

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    YOU: You still haven't told me which Church has the right doctrine?

    MY ANSWER: Clean out your ears and listen. I already told you. And I couldn’t care less what Christine Wicker has said. I only care what the Holy Ghost says.

    YOU: It seems like you should be careful speaking of the Holy Ghost, calling it a, "Thunderbird Experience" You should read about what it says about blesphemy against it. You must think it is speaking in other tongues, mentioned only one time in the Gospels. It is the new message brought by God's Son Jesus Christ.

    MY ANSWER: Your “Thunderbird Experience” had nothing to do with the Holy Ghost. If it had, you would have started walking in purity, instead of the evil that you are given to now. If it was a spirit at all, and not a lie you’ve developed, then it was satanic.

    YOU: If the water came from the water pots why did the servants only Know where it came from.

    MY ANSWER: The text does not say that only the servants knew. It simply says that they knew where the wine had come from, and that the governor of the feast didn’t know. As far as the water itself, Jesus told them to fill the pots with water, which is what the servants did.

    YOU: It is a matter of "believing" St John is the only Gospel that has the salvation plan and there is only two verses dealling with being born again and that is only half of the plan St John 10:38 and 14:11. When your born again you only "see" the power of God but it guides you into receiving the Holy Ghost. That is why St John 3;3 it reads …. That is the reason with out the Holy Ghost as I received it, no one can enter into the kingdom of God. With the Holy Ghost being half of the salvation plan is the reason it is not safe to blesphemy it.

    MY ANSWER: Nonsense! They all have the plan of salvation, and John has a great many more verses on that subject than you say.

    As far as “seeing” the kingdom of God, John would have used the word “blepo” to indicate that type of seeing; instead, he used “eido”. An entirely different meaning, with a much wider base.

    Again, you have neither received the Holy Ghost, nor have you been saved. Your walk and your words prove it.

    YOU: In St Matthew 4;1-11 It only reads Jesus fasted forty days and nights. As I said I never saw the Angel until two years later and I only fasted three days and Nights, each time when I was born again and thirty days later when I received the Holy Ghost. In most churches all you have to do is raise your hand but it took me two years before I knew for sure I was a child of God. That's how slow I am.

    MY ANSWER: I agree. You haven’t even STARTED yet!

    YOU: Are you telling me it is impossable to see an Angel in a church building? They have wine, money smoke, money,candles, money, an old stock tank for babtisms, money, snakes, money, beads, money, faults images, money, watered down booklets, money, blessing animals, money confessionals, money, indulgences, money food, money, mistresses, money, food samples to the God's, money, ten to one hundread different Bibles and money.

    MY ANSWER: I never said you can’t see an angel in a church building. I said YOU didn’t see an angel of God in the church building. IF you saw anything (and aren’t lying), it was a demonic spirit.

    YOU: The Holy Ghost is seperate from the spirit. It was designed to be a comforter when ones tongue is hanging out of there mouth from a lack of water, and food, earthquakes when one is homeless,
    when the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall give off no light. St Matthew 24;22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    MY ANSWER: There is no Scripture that separates the Holy Ghost from the Holy Spirit. And as I already quoted to you there were THREE that bare record in heaven – not FOUR.

    YOU: Elijah was John the baptist? St John 1;21 And they asked him, (John the Baptist) What then? art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? and he answered, NO.
    St Matthew 17:10 And his disciples aked him, saying. Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come? 11 And Jesus answeared and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. (Explain the allegory parables) St Matthew 11: 25 At that time Jesus answeared and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from (Garry) the wise and prudent, and hast revelield them unto babes. (Mickey)

    MY ANSWER: Very interesting! I notice you take the verse out of context, as your father always does. The next two verses say this….

    “But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST.” [Matthew 17:12f]

    He further states….

    “For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, THIS [John the Baptist] IS ELIAS, WHICH WAS FOR TO COME.” [Matthew 11:13f]

    As far as John’s answer to those who questioned him, he simply did not understand who he was, since Jesus clearly said that John was the fulfillment – the ONLY fulfillment – of the Elias prophecy.

    YOU: Denied the church? Did Jesus try and save churches of the Old Testament, or preach from one of the churches when He gave mankind the NEW MESSAGE?

    MY ANSWER: Yes, He did. He often preached and taught in the Temple and in the synagogues.

    YOU: Did Jesus preach anything with the same message like Paul? Where is the power of Paul's conversion? None of the seven churches of Revelation got it right.

    MY ANSWER: He did indeed. Both preached the cross and resurrection, both preached that we need to walk a cleaned-up walk, both demanded repentance. Their message was the same.

    As to the seven churches of Asia, Jesus Himself commended several of them for “getting it right”. Go back and read it again, and this time, look at what it says, not what you imagine it says.

    It is true He never followed His own way, because He was The Son and not God. St John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    MY ANSWER: Jesus lived and followed God on our level, leaving us an example of perfection. What He did, we can do.

    Didn't God make a judgement call when he sent his Son, so you think I should except all religions and organizations, after all 60% do, but i'm not going to.

    MY ANSWER: He WILL make a judgment call soon, at His appearing. That is when you will be standing before Him without excuse, because you have rejected the Gospel and are none of His.

    “For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3:4 = God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar…” [Romans 3:3f]

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    I was saved at a Gasoline Service Station the churches are so corrupt. Where did God say He would be in regard to the church? Didn't he say He was the door. St John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. I went in and out and after the church service, went to a Gasoline Service Station to be born again. Thirty days later I received the Holy Ghost in my old Ford Thunderbird going to work in Los Angeles. It was white as a dove, it went thru the windshield, and into my mouth and down my throat.

    MY RESPONSE:
    Mickey, there is no reason why I would say that a person cannot be saved in any location. Neither I nor the church demand that salvation should occur only in a church building. That wouldn’t be according to Scripture.

    You mention that the churches are corrupt. Perhaps those that you attended are. Not having met the pastors nor attended their services, I cannot say. However, there ARE those churches that have not “sold out” to the enemy, and are standing true to God.

    In regards to Jesus’ being the Door of the Sheepfold, we are not here talking about a literal door, so it had nothing whatsoever to do with your leaving the church house. Jesus is the Door because it is only through Him that we can approach to God and enter into the Kingdom, and only through Him that we can have any effectiveness in going out to the lost and bringing them to Christ.

    If you DID have this “Thunderbird Experience”, it has nothing to do with God. Seeing as you are a denier of the Scriptures, if that WAS a spirit, it was more likely an “UNholy spirit” – one of satan’s angels.

    Then I saw an angel two years later in a Sunday School Class, that evening at mid-night God told me to fill a glass of water up. I put it on a coffee table and stood up raising both arms. I said, "Father who art in heaven, change the water into wine in Jesus name." Nothing happened in the glass, from the tip of my fingers to my little tippy toes their was a sensation.

    MY RESPONSE:
    An angel in Sunday School class, eh? Whose angel? Were you not aware that satan has angels at his command too?

    It is obvious that it was not God who spoke to you to “fill a glass with water”. Had He been the source of that instruction, something would have happened, either to the water in the glass or else a He would have used it as an illustration to teach you something about yourself. Neither one happened.

    St Matthew 4;11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
    St John 2;7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. 9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) ---.

    MY RESPONSE:
    The text quoted above is an example of my point above. Something happened when Jesus told them to “draw out now, and bear to the governor of the feast.” But with you, nothing happened.

    The water came from Jesus body and you have to have that experience as I had before your saved, "or" it is only given to the prophet of God.

    MY RESPONSE:
    Nonsense! The water did not come from Jesus’ body; it came from waterpots used by the servants.

    Further, physical water does not figure at all in initial salvation. Even if God HAD chosen to take you through those experiences, to declare that others must have the same method of “filling a glass with water” followed by “sensations” in the extremities, and having a dove fly down your throat is highly unscriptural. There is NOWHERE in the Scriptures that this occurred to ANYONE.

    My name is Elijah of the new testament. Malachi 4;5

    MY RESPONSE:
    Sorry, but your name is Mickey, and you have nothing to do with Elijah of Malachi 4:5. That was John the Baptist, the forerunner of the Messiah.

    and you couldn't pay me enough money to read The Acts thru Jude and Luke is a nut case.

    MY RESPONSE:
    The fact is that Luke, a highly educated physician and an historian of the first class (according to Dr. Simon Greenleaf, 20th century authority on the Rules of Evidence), is NEVER caught in error in any of his writings.

    It is also interesting that you commit libel against the writings of the Apostle Paul, you also slander the writings of the Apostles John, Peter, James, and Jude (who was the half-brother of the Lord).

    And STILL you are slandering the Word of God! You speak like your father because it is he who fills your heart and your mind. Repent of this wickedness you have harbored and embraced, for your heart isn’t right in the sight of God.

    The Holy Ghost (Spirit) is seperate from the Spirit of God. That means there is God, Spirit, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. all with different jobs in the salvation of man and God's creation.

    MY RESPONSE:
    No, you are wrong here as well. The Holy Ghost is the same as the Holy Spirit, which is identical to the Spirit of God…

    “For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” [I John 5:7]

    Further, all three – the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost – are God; not just the Father.

    A married couple it says they are one. How many do you count? Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    MY RESPONSE:
    It doesn’t matter how many I count. The word “one” in that verse is ECHOD, which means a COMPOUND unity (as in “united”).

    St Mark 3;21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said He is beside himself. Crazy, lost an orr, nuttier then a fruit cake, Dumb'er then a box of rocks. I'm in good company.

    MY RESPONSE:
    Hardly! The “good company” you claim to be in differs VASTLY from you, as Jesus never denied the Scriptures… never despised the church… never followed His own way… never blasphemed God…

    You, on the other hand, have done all these, and even foolishly boast of it!

    This is, as I said in my previous response to your ramblings, the last time I am Scripturally permitted to answer you in this manner, according to the Bible. Thus, if you do not repent and get right with God, you will find my answers much more abrupt, more like when Jesus was exasperated with the scribes and Pharisees, and it will be more akin to Peter’s response to Simon Magus in Acts 8:20-23 when he attempted to buy the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    I would far rather see you in heaven one day; why not receive Jesus, who was crucified for your sins and was raised from the dead for your justification? Let Him forgive and cleanse from the filthiness of spirit that is currently in you.

    Come down from your pseudo-intellectual tower; become one with Christ Jesus while He is still calling, because there will come a day when this merciful Savior will cease to show mercy, and instead come forth as the implacable Judge of all the earth.

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    Paul was Satans advocate. Isaiah 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount (all) of the congregation, (churches and religious organizations)---. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. If you were Paul wouldn't you say, I come in Christ name. 1-2

    I would also say I was come in the name of Christ if I indeed DID come in His name, just as David said to Goliath in I Samuel 17.

    Paul was hardly satan’s advocate, since it is on record (among many other proofs) that he was used in casting out devils, as in the case of the slave girl possessed by a pythonic spirit. And according to Jesus Himself, satan does not cast out satan. Indeed, the very text you apply here to satan clearly states that the devil does not open the door of his prisonhouse.

    Further, the miracles that Paul performed in the name of Jesus of Nazareth were sufficient evidence of his union with Christ.

    The text you have quoted has absolutely nothing to do with the Apostle Paul; it has to do with the king of Babylon. Was that an office that Paul held? However, the following texts DO have reference to Paul, and in each case, God Himself speaks well concerning the man you have libeled….

    “Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, THE HOLY GHOST SAID, SEPARATE ME BARNABAS AND SAUL FOR THE WORK WHEREUNTO I HAVE CALLED THEM.” [Acts 13:1f]

    “But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.” [Acts 9:15f]

    Paul is also within THIS classification….

    “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” [Matthew 5:11f]

    And in this one….

    “… If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?” [Matthew 10:25]

    3. Your repented is not the same as God's repented. Look at the earth and the people in it today. Which Church has the right doctrine?

    God’s “repented” there is the same as man’s repentance in that it refers to the sorrow of heart mentioned in the second phrase.

    As to the church that has the “right doctrine”, it is any church that points to the resurrected Jesus as the only way to God, and that teaches a “cleaned-up” walk. As it is written, “Follow peace with all men, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD:” [Hebrews 12:14]

    4 St John 1;14 (The Word was from the beginning of time) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    The Word, which is Jesus Christ, existed BEFORE the beginning of time. As God, He has ALWAYS been. …

    “In the beginning WAS the Word; and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.” [John 1:1]

    The tense of the first “was” indicates that at WHATEVER point you place “the beginning”, the Word was ALREADY THERE.

    5. God couldn't send him during the great and dreadful day, He has to send him before. You are spliting hairs.

    You are the one that said John would be sent “at” the great and dreadful day. I simply pointed you to what the text says. “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God,” which text tells us that it is NECESSARY to “split hairs” if you’re going to enter into life eternal.

    And what is this business about “splitting hairs”?

    Jesus Himself “split hairs” when He rebuked those “intellectual” Sadducees….

    “Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection…

    “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

    “And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I AM the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

    “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.” [Mark 12:18, 24-27]

    Here, Jesus based His entire argument on the little word “AM”, emphasizing that it did not say “I WAS the God…”

    It seems to me that Jesus knows a great deal more than you do about proper exegesis.

    The Apostle Paul even went further, correctly “splitting hairs” over a single letter….

    “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seedS, as of many; but as of one, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.” [Galatians 3:16]

    I would defy you to produce ANYWHERE in Scripture where God speaks against “splitting hairs”. In fact, He speaks WELL of splitting hairs….

    “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” [Acts 17:11]

    6. St John 7;39 is refering to the born again experience, the first experience it has nothing to do with the Holy Ghost, that comes later when your body is clean. Ezekiel 36: 26-25-27

    Nonsense! The verse, and its context, clearly speaks of the infilling of the Spirit of God, which is subsequent to being born again. Jesus Himself declared that no unsaved person can receive the Holy Ghost, and that that reception of the Spirit is an occurrence that FOLLOWS salvation. Notice His words….

    “If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” [John 14:15ff]

    7. Salvation is physical as in Ezekiel in #6. When you receive the Holy Ghost it is as Jesus received it when He was baptized by John I received it the same way but without the water.

    Salvation INCLUDES a physical experience – for example, physical healing is an integral part of salvation – but it is also a spiritual experience; it is not limited to the physical.

    Again, the Holy Ghost is not an “it” The Holy Ghost is a “Him”.

    And the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is not limited to the manner in which Jesus received that experience. There was no “dove” when the 120 were baptized in the Spirit; there were cloven tongues of fire; There was no “dove” when Cornelius was baptized in the Spirit, nor in any occurrence listed of the infilling of the Holy Ghost anywhere in the book of Acts.

    St Matthew 3:16 (Jesus never needed the born again experience first because He was born without sin) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the Spirit of God (Holy Ghost) descending like a dove, (Holy Ghost white) and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. It went in His mouth and down His throat as it did mine.

    First, the text does not give the color of the apparent dove that lit upon Jesus at Jordan. (Doves, by the way, are generally grey or tan – not white).

    Secondly, Nowhere does the text say that the dove “went in His mouth”. It only says that it descended and lit on him. Not one word anywhere about “going in His mouth and down His throat.”

    Which leaves YOUR testimony, at best, highly suspect.

    Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with:---.

    Here, “drinking of the cup” was the cup of death. As far as the “baptism” spoken of in 20:23, this also is death (though it can be APPLIED to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost). And the saying was spoken specifically to James and John… not to you.

    Is # 7 enough knowing that you don't, or are you going to split some more hairs.

    You bet I’m going to split hairs! That’s what we’re SUPPOSED to do when dealing with the Scriptures. We not only look at it “with a telescope” [in context], but also “with a microscope” [word study].

    You’ve not brought out anything of any value that I’ve not heard. Again, you have made ONE statement (the sinless holiness of the Lord Jesus) that was correct. Nearly all else is wrong.

    I need to warn you, Mickey; As you’ve added to the Word of God listed in Matthew 3:16 (and other places), you need to repent of this false doctrine, and return to the Lord (if indeed you ever were His in the first place!)

    When you add or delete from the Scriptures as you have been doing, you are stepping on EXCEEDINGLY dangerous ground.

    Note what the Word has to say about what you are doing here…

    “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, LEST HE REPROVE THEE, AND THOU BE FOUND A LIAR.” [Proverbs 30:5f]

    And since you have “sliced out” half of the entire New Testament Scriptures, declaring them unholy, then you are also guilty of the following, and must expect that penalty….

    “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: AND IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, GOD SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, AND OUT OF THE HOLY CITY, AND FROM THE THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK.” [Revelation 22:18f]

    Yahveh once said through the prophet Isaiah…

    “For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but TO THIS MAN WILL I LOOK, EVEN TO HIM THAT … TREMBLETH AT MY WORD.”

    It would do you well to yield to what “Thus saith the Lord”. Otherwise, you will find yourself at the end of life in fires that are not godly, but that were prepared for the devil and his angels.

    “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” [Isaiah 55:6f]

    Please, Mickey… return to the Lord, because the path you are currently choosing leads to a great horror…

    “BUT UNTO THEM THAT ARE CONTENTIOUS, AND DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH … indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;” [Romans 2:8f]

    Come back to the Savior while there’s still time, and after receiving Him, you will be in a position to receive the Holy Ghost baptism in truth.

    This is my first response after your approach has been made clear. After the next admonition I give you, I am not permitted to deal with you again, unless it is to lead you to Christ. Why? Besides the fact one doesn't "pick unripe fruit" when in the harvest fields for the Master, there is another very simple reason....

    "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." [Titus 3:10f]

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Garry H

    Garry H says

    Hello, Mickey.

    You’ve asked several questions, and I will attempt to give you brief responses (though not necessarily complete answers) to each of them in turn.

    1) How could Satan deceive all the nations without his part in the Bible?

    Your question is a bit ambiguous… I’m not certain what you mean by “without his part in the Bible”. I know that satan deceives the entire world (Rev. 12:9); perhaps this is what you were thinking of when you put forth the question.

    There are many ways that he “deceives the whole world”, but chiefly in leading men away from receiving Jesus as Savior and rejecting His sacrifice in our place on Calvary, despite the fact that repentance is the only intelligent course of action open.

    2) St John 5;43 what if it means Paul was not of God?

    This passage is not applicable to Paul’s ministry, since he did not come in his own name. As he declared himself over and over again, his entire message was the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Here are two sample comments showing that Paul did not come “in his own name”…

    “For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” [I Corinthians 2:2]

    “For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.” [II Corinthians 4:5]

    3) If God is love why in Genesis 6;6 did it say it grived him at his heart that He had made man on the earth?

    You have a slight misquote there. The actual text says…

    “And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”

    Note that it did not grieve Him that He had made man on the earth, but rather that He REPENTED that He had done so (in the sense that the intense degree of sin, and the fact that the imagination of man was only evil continually caused Him to feel sorrow that He had created man). As far as grief goes, all the text says is that the heart of God was grieved.

    While God’s very nature is such that He is the personification of love, nevertheless, we must not forget that God is not only love, but He is also the Judge of all the earth, and being a God of absolute holiness, He must, as Judge of all the earth, condemn sin and punish the unrepentant sinner. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.

    4) Would Ford and Buick CO's fly to their factory and sweep the floor every Monday morning. If not, then why do most churches believe that God died on the cross?

    We believe it because of the love of God, expressed through Jesus Christ who came to earth to die for us, since none of us could pay the penalty for our own sins to the extent of having a restored fellowship with God.

    It is a matter of historical fact that Jesus died and rose again from the dead; it is also a matter of historical record that Jesus was the only one, due to the fact of His living a completely holy life, that could pay the penalty for our transgressions.

    As to it being God who died on the cross in our place, one reason we believe it is because it was prophesied that He would do so hundreds of years before the event occurred.

    5) How could John the Baptist be Elijah of the new testament when he was going to come at the great and dreadful day of the Lord: ? Malachi 4;5

    Again, you have misquoted the text; here is how it actually reads….

    “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” [Malachi 4:5, 6]

    Note that it does not say Elijah the prophet was going to come AT the great and dreadful day of the Lord – it said he would be sent BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Big difference.

    And come he did, in the person of John the Baptist, for Gabriel, explaining this passage, said….

    “And he [John the Baptist] shall go before him IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” [Luke 1:17]

    6) The Holy Ghost was not to be until after Jesus went to the Father after His crucifection (St John 16;7) How could the Holy Ghost impregnate Mary and be in Elisabeth prancing around when it wasn't in existance? Luke 1 and St Matthew 1;20

    You are probably referring to John 7:39, not 16:7. It reads like this….

    “(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)”

    It’s not really that difficult, Mickey.

    The Holy Ghost, being one of the Trinity, has always existed. In fact, He is mentioned in the very first verse of the Bible, and mentioned by name in the following verse. Here they are….

    “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” [Genesis 1:1, 2]

    The word “God” in verse one is “ELOHIM” which is the plural of “El” or “Elah” in Hebrew – yet the verb “created” is “BARA”, which is a singular verb.

    In verse two, the Holy Ghost is mentioned by name in the last sentence.

    It is not that the Holy Ghost did not exist prior to the crucifixion; it is simply that the particular OFFICE, as far as being the “Indweller of the Church” was not created until the Day of Pentecost. And in THAT sense only, “the Holy Ghost was not yet.” Note that the context explains this.

    By the way… two things to mention as a side…

    First, Elizabeth nowhere is said in the text to “prance around”; nor is the Holy Ghost an “it”. The correct pronoun is “He”.

    7) It says that we are to go and baptize every one in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. What for, when man can't do one thing to save anyones soul, I found out it was physical and it took the power of God to do that. Do I know something you don't, Yes.

    You are right that salvation is not provided by man; nor is there anything that we can do to add to that salvation. We do not claim that man can add anything, however. We are saved by grace through faith – and even that faith is not of ourselves, but is the gift of God.

    We are told to baptize the new converts as a public (if possible) testimony of the work that the Lord has done in our lives. It symbolizes our being dead and buried to sin, and arising to walk a new life of holiness.

    Tell me: just out of curiosity, what is the something that you know that I don’t? :o)

    posted 3 months ago. ( send a note )
  • Tony Peters

    Tony Peters says

    Cool. It's great that you are willing to share your experience with the world!

    posted 4 months ago. ( send a note )


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