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The Sam Roberts Band wrote a song with the lyrics "time is a slippery fish, now" and that perfectly describes the plight of the avid reader. If you feel this way, that there are not enough nanoseconds in the day to finish what you are reading, that you feel the urge to reach immortality to finish that TBR pile (let alone the others behind it),...more »
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  • Halo

    The Middens Pile~ VII

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    You know what I love about the Middens Pile?

    Reading your gripes makes me feel better about my gripes.

    Complain away, amigos!
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  • mark s
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    Being inbetween jobs.

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    • Moisture Farmer
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      And threads.

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    • Odd_Duck
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      I second unemployment...it sucks.

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    • Rina
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      On Tuesday you went to work. What do you do?

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    • mark s
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      Teach. I resigned this year though....lookin for a new job...

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    • Rina
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      Oh- well they always seem to need good people somewhere.

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    • mark s
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      I hope...

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    • Halo
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      I've been looking a bit myself... this looking for jobs thing sucks!

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    • Mimsy R
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      It does suck. I just had to take a job at a significantly lower pay rate to stay in the government system. Ugh!! The grants I was under ended and it was this or unemployment. I will be looking though, looking hard.

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    • wiley
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      What level do you teach at?

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    • WordsArtMusic
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      Best of luck to all of you! The only good thing about looking for a new job is that the new one may be so much better than you ever dreamed.

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    • Eve

      Eve 

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      Good luck, Mark. Were (are) you unhappy where you are to have resigned? Will you look to keep teaching or are you trying something totally new?

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    • Moisture Farmer
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      Yes, best wishes, Mark! Unemployment's not really such a picnic.

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    • mark s
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      Ty. I teach 6th grade in an urban school. I am certified 4-8, and 8-12 social studies which means anything in the genre and 4th grade science as well.

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    • wiley
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      My hat is off to you..I was an elementary (K-6) librarian for one year and was never so exhausted in all my life, not even after a mile butterfly. Read some great literature though!

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    • mark s
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      :) Well its time to shake the dust off and see where I land;)

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    • Eve

      Eve 

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      Wiley, you just spoke magical words for me! my Dad was a K-6 librarian for as long as I was aware of his position.( I know he taught other courses and levels before I was around but I only ever knew him in the library) I credit him with my love of books and reading - he would always bring home books he thought I would like etc.

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    • mark s
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      Its hard to believe that all the librarian positions around here require master's degrees.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      Yes, it is rather unfortunate Mark, personally, I don't necessarily think you require a Master degree...I can say that coz I have one in Library Science hahaha but I think a bachelor degree is quite adequate with training and extra courses whilst working in the field. Perhaps Wiley might disagree but in my experience whilst I was working in a variety of public and private libraries for 12 years, I thought an MA in the field a tad over inflated and I am not knocking librarians or the profession, as I have been one myself. It's more about education really and professions, nowadays instead of receiving good training from the company, they want you to pay ridiculous amounts of money to do, for example, a diploma in retailing, which I think really the company should be doing that kind of thing. I think there are certain professions that require training such as Nursing and Medicine etc but I think there are some that really don't need a person to be in thousands of dollars in debt.

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    • wiley
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      I agree WS. I do not have an MLS, I have an MEd and a library certification. There are many tasks that one must teach one's self. In my first job I had never seen the program (Alexandria) that they used, there was not a user's guide, and the previous librarian was long gone. I made mistakes, but we were checking books in and out the first day. Also, depending on the type of library you have to teach yourself the literature. When I started elementary I had never read Suess, Harold, Amelia Bedelis or hardly any of the really popular books. I took buckets of books home every night for quite a while. That is also why I have read so many YA titles....I'm at a high school now.

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    • mark s
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      I miss the dewey decimal system;)

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    • wiley
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      We still Dewey

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Yeah, our library uses it.

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    • mark s
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      lucky bastards...

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  • Foghorn Leghorn
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    I made a Ranch dip with sour cream, mayo and the dip package itself. I was eating it with potato chips and my wife comes in and has some.
    She says, 'Fog, this tastes sweet to me. Did you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?' I says, 'Of course not, what do you
    take me for?' Then she walks off not eating anymore. I am almost positive it was mayo. But they are the same size jars
    and they are right next to each other in the fridge. Hmmm, now the dip that tasted just fine before my wife came in
    is starting to taste funny. Nothing like a spouse to ruin everything for ya.

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      Foggie just admit you used Miracle Whip.

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    • Jerry M
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      Stick to your guns, man. I believe you when you claim some interstellar vortex landed in your kitchen and totally changed the chemical compound in your food. Occam's Razor!

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    • Eve

      Eve 

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      If neither of you like it, why is it in the fridge? Ha

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Miracle Whip is just for certain things, not a replacement for mayo. I love it for turkey sandwiches and baloney sandwiches and sliced cheese sandwiches and that is about all I use it for. My wife can't stand it on anything. So if it is in the dip I will have to throw it. I will taste it again today to determine the outcome.

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    • Rina

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      I'm in your wife's camp on that one. Miracle Whip is terrible

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      Miracle Whip instead of Mayo? Blech.

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    • Halo
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      I always thought miracle whip and mayo were the same thing, and I never liked it. Until I left home. And I had mayo, then I gained about fifteen pounds because I spread mayo on every single thing I could find. Mayonnaise is a beautiful thing.

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      It is, indeed, Halo. Miracle Whip? Eh, not so much. :)

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    • Eve

      Eve 

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      Haaa Halo! It's always the tastiest things that do the most damage.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      My mom used to use Miracle Whip when I was growing up. I never knew what mayo tasted like until I left home.
      And then I slathered it on everything, except a few things I like the tang of MW on.

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    • Eve

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      We are all oblivious until we leave home. My parents kept bread in the fridge and ketchup in the cabinet. Ew on both counts.

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    • mark s
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      I snuck in and switched the labels...muh-ha-ha-ha!

      and I borrowed that book you think you misplaced...*WEG*

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    • llevinso
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      I love mayo. It annoys me when I go to like Subway or something and I tell them I want mayo and then I see them putting light mayo on my sandwich. Did I say light mayo? No. If I wanted light mayo I'd have said light mayo. Are you trying to tell me I'm fat? Thanks jerkwads.

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    • mark s
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      Light mayo is just cheaper to make Nyuk-nyuk

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      How can you tell if it's light mayo? I agree, llevinso, you should get what you want.

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    • Halo
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      light mayo is creamier... not as fluffy as real mayo. It’s more like Miracle Whip in it’s consistency... at least that’s what I’ve found.

      Now that I’m able to better control my mayo consumption, I like to use real, whole fat mayo. Bring it on!

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  • jkdavies
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    OK, what is peeving me slightly at the moment is the notion that listening to an audio book is the same as having "read" the book...
    discuss ;)

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    • Rina
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      What difference does it make what way a book is consumed- be it by reading, listening, or watching?

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    • jkdavies

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      I don't know exactly... but I would never say I had read a book if I had only heard it...
      probably because I can't concentrate on hearing things like I can when reading a book?

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    • Eve

      Eve 

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      If I am discussing it in person, I do find myself clarifying that I listened to part of a book (I don't think I ever have gone totally audio. I always have the book, too) but where my shelf here is concerned, I consider it "read" if I have ingested every word written by the author, whether with my eyes or ears. How else could it be described? For instance, I very recently finished The Hunger Games. I read in the house and listened in the car. I would not hesitate to say I read it if the simple question was asked of me. Now, if I had only seen the movie and told people I read it, that would be quite a different story. (No pun intended!)

      I do understand that seeing and hearing are different senses but reading and listening are not the same as simply seeing or simply hearing.

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    • Rina
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      But the concentration part while listening is not the same for all. I worked in a job where I had to listen, instead of seeing or reading. I learned to concentrate totally on what was being said. Comprehension for reading of or listening to an authors words could be comparable …

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      I bet bet you can get around this discussion by saying you follow with reading the book while listening at the same time.
      I do this from time to time. I never just listen to a book anymore. I need the print version.

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    • Halo
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      I listen to audio books for my commute. They cut down exponentially on my road rage, I’m so much more pleasant to be around since I started listening to audio books. Having said that, I do sometimes feel like I’m cheating when I say that I ‘read’ the book. I don’t usually have the print copy as well, but I do like to look stuff up, if it’s a particularly complicated or involved story. I also like hearing how things are pronounced correctly. For example, with Crime and Punishment- I read the book, but I also listened to the audio, I loved hearing the correct pronunciation of the Russian language.

      But I do agree that the delivery doesn’t really matter. We’re all still supporting authors, expanding our horizons, and learning.

      AND I realized a while back that I simply won’t have enough time on this planet to ‘read’ every book that I want to read. It’s a simple fact, therefore, if I can squeeze a few more books in via audio... well, I’m gonna do it.

      Oh, and there’s this wonderful thing about being read to, something so lavish about it. I really quite enjoy it. If I could, I’d hire someone just to read to me (and he’d probably look an awful lot like Eric Northman, just sayin’).

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      I love audiobooks, and if I listen to one, I consider myself as having read the book. I like the flexibility of it all, too - I can immerse myself in another world while doing something else, like cleaning the bathroom or traveling on a road trip. It makes time fly by like nothing. :) I've never had a problem comprehending them. (In fact, it's not much different than family read-aloud in our house, when Mom or Dad sits down with a book and reads to us from it.)

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    • Eve

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      Oh my god Ink you clean the bathroom? Your family must be so proud! I certainly would be. Haaa

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    • Rina
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      Halo- if your reader looked like Eric no books would get read at all - just sayin'

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      Umm... yes, I alternate with my siblings on bathroom cleaning. And other cleaning, for that matter. A house with ten people gets messy quick. :D

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    • wiley
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      10! wow I'll bet. My mom used to make me clean the bathroom with a toothbrush. Needless to say those were not the "best days of my life."

      I consider reading in print and listening to a cd to be two different experiences. Not like the differene between a movie and a book, more like the difference between a concert and a record. I listen to books when I'm driving and thus get tiny interupts during the reading. As a result I usually try to listen to lighter stuff and save heavier stuff for print. Also, a lot of books I listen to I would never pick up and read, until I do. That is how I discovered Evanovich, Carl Hiaasen, D. Preston/L. Child and others that I now read in print.

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    • Halo
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      Me too, Wiley... I try reading heavier stuff and listening to lighter stuff, or I tend to get distracted.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Hey, you girls! Eric called me up and he wanted me to tell you that he is tired of being drooled all over. Just saying.

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      Are you saying he's not wearing that drool bib I sent him?

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    • Halo
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      Well, it doesn’t have to be Eric... it could be anyone, really. I just thought it would add to the reading.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      Blimey....well, I agree with you all about audiobooks and reading, even though they are two different mediums, I still think that if I am listening to the audio version, that has not been edited or dramatised, then I would consider this, like reading the book. I love audio books, they are so handy, and like Inky and Halo say, it's great when you are commuting or doing chores to listen to audio books.

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    • Mimsy R
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      I adore being read to. Some books I read, some I listen to. Some readers can really 'make' the book and others destroy it. Take the #1 Ladies Detective Agency books - the reader is fabulous. Another really well read book is Water for the Elephants. The story is being told by a man in his 90's, but when he slips back to his young-manhood the reader switches to a younger man. It really makes the story.
      I too had a very long commute and books really took the starch out of the drive. I started playing audio books for the dance carpool. I got tired of their snarky bickering. It got to the point where they were begging for specific books, wanting to wait til the end of a chapter before getting out and creating a system where they would each get a chance to convince the others of what book would be played next. I found this a particularly good use of carpool time. I diiiiid have to listen to Twilight - they agreed to alternate. I pick one, they pick one. I got stuck with a couple of dillies like Twilight and Fallen - but their taste really improved over a few years and by the end we were really knocking out some good literature.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      I think I've had too many bad readers. That is why I don't care too much for audio books.

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    • mark s
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      yeah the ones that sound like creepy old people get on your nerves after about 10 minutes....

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    • Halo
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      Ooh yes... the creepy, fake British accent. Horrible. I also don’t like it when people ‘act’ the book out too dramatically. Just read the damn book, please :)

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    • Eve

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      Best audiobooks ever: Outlander series read by Davina Porter (not....I repeat NOT Geraldine something)

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      You know I find the ole' Beeb pretty stellar for audio books...I tend to follow their lead

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    • jkdavies
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      see I knew you would all add something to the debate :)

      I think partly why I don't rate listening the same as reading is my short attention span when listening... I only have an 8Km/5mile commute and rarely even get around to putting a music CD on except on longer journeys. I did listen to the old BBC Radio 5 when it wasn't only sport, and included some book readings, but never got into them enough to seek out hte experience... and of course the main reason is my limited hearing ability anyway...especially when I have a furious head cold like today :(

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    • wiley
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      If my commute was that short I would not try the cd's. I can not sit still at home and listen. You will see in July and August that I will stop reporting audio books in my "Stop the Presses" posts....summer=no work=no audio books. Hopefully I will read more then!

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    • Jerry M
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      This used to bother me as well, JK. It felt odd to say I "read" a book when I really listened to a book. But then most stories were transmitted in the early early days that way, orally. The Irish bards were revered for their ability to spin a tale and their liveliehood depended on their being able to hold an audience. When literacy rose, book popularity did as well. But still I find it hard to listen to a book when I could be reading a book. The reason is simple for me. Listening takes far more concentration to do it properly than reading does for me. I can listen to music while I am at work with my iPod. I have a really cool job in this regard, I can listen to music for the 8-10 hours that I am working. But have I really made a critical analysis of what I was listening to the whole time? Hardly at all, because listening can be put into the background if more pressing matters are at hand- like concentrating on your job, or even if my mind wanders about something else. I cannot do that while reading, if something intrudes onto my concentration, the reading is broken and I will have to start up again.

      Another reason I would prefer to read is that time spent. When listening, I am not concentrating on a great sentence I've discovered, I cannot stop and pour over that sentence and stop and think about it because the story is flowing on like a current in a river. But when I read I can stop and ponder. When I read Othello for the Classics group, there was a whole lot of pondering going on. Now I know I can listen to that play in a few hours, just like watching it, but there is no way I could have done so and still come up with the questions that I did for the group discussions. But then I've never tried, maybe I can find a happy medium somewhere.

      I am still holding out for the technology where they can instantly d/l into your brain.

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    • mark s
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      Yikes! I simply like to relax and reread a book sometimes, lingering on my favorite parts...I can't imagine much pleasure in downl;oading into my mind like the matrix...it would lose all sense of entertainment for me....however...it would hav made college much easier....can't believe you can find so many primary sources these days on the internet...I think of all the time I wasted cruising micrfisch and inter-library loans...and tracking down books at libraries that were off campus....much less even finding out those sources existed from a single passage in another work alone...

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      Another reason I would prefer to read is that time spent. When listening, I am not concentrating on a great sentence I've discovered, I cannot stop and pour over that sentence and stop and think about it because the story is flowing on like a current in a river. But when I read I can stop and ponder.

      Nicely put, Jerry. I agree. That's one reason why I have no desire to hear Cormac McCarthy or Ray Bradbury (two of my favorite authors) read to me: I'd rather pour over their books myself. One of the greatest pleasures I get from their books is their striking use of the English language.

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    • Marguerite M
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      hem, hem, if I could put on my adult learning hat for a moment. Visual learners will always find more stimulus ie retention from looking ie reading a book. If you find you like graphs, memos, seeing it over hearing it you are probably a visual learner. If you prefer to sit in the back of the class, close your eyes and just listen, ie you prefer audio books you might be a audio learner. Neither is better. A hight percentage of learners are visual, but the second highest are audio learners. I'm a visual learner, so I much prefer to read. Whatever your chosen input, as long as the information is being processed in you mind, you are learning and growing. So yes, listening counts as reading, if we mean by reading did you obtain the information presented in the story.

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    • jkdavies
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      interesting point Marguerite :) I guess I am definitely a visual learner then!

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    • mark s

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      "hey hoser....I'm in your ear...."

      http://www.bobanddoug.com/sounds.html

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    • Mimsy R
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      Was thinking about book delivery systems. I like a lot of audio books, some are definitely better than others. I think the art is improving.
      I love reading books, The feel, the smell of paper and leather.
      I don't like ebooks I have tried a few. I suspect they might be nice as textbooks - but then I use my graduate school books as reference. Don't know how that would work electronically - could you go back a few years later and brush up on something?
      I am pretty firmly in the I don't like reading books on my iPad group.
      Yup.

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    • Halo
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      Me too, Mimsy. While I like the convenience and idea of ebooks, the one's I've tried have irritated my eyes.

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    • wiley
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      I also like to listen to a book I've read. So I read All the Pretty Horses by Cormac M., then I watched the movie (several times) and then I listened to the CD's. Each was a different experience of the same thing, satisfying in its own way. This is the only way I will listen to a book that has literary quality in the prose...if I have already read it. (I did that with Lolita also).

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  • WordsArtMusic
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    Standardized tests that last all week. I hate them. (and I don't use the word "hate" lightly) I mostly hate them for the kids. I don't mind a nationally norm-referenced test. Fine. I know some good has come from them. But now that someone has figured out how much money you can make when you require every student to take your test, these poor kids are tested so often, there is no time to teach them!

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      I can not think of a single good thing that comes from a nationally norm-referenced test. The only thing a test actually shows is how well the person takes tests. Every other conclusion is only a corelation that is "statistically" indicative. So, I have a high IQ because I do well on IQ tests. that does not say I know how to boil water and cook roadrunners.

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      The only thing a test actually shows is how well the person takes tests.

      Too true.

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    • WordsArtMusic
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      I only said that about the national test because our state requires another test, in addition. OK - so if we know that kids in Arkansas score 50th in the nation on a national test, (some years we are 49th!) why do we make our kids take another one to see where they rank against each other? (Even pretending those scores DO matter somewhere) I guess someone somewhere might know.

      The thing for me is that I have to give the test to other teachers' kids. So I see them spending all their time doing these "testing behavior" crap things, instead of trying to figure out what the question is asking. Never mind that the questions have nothing to do with real life knowledge, knowing how to solve problems is the life skill everyone needs. How long does the water need to boil so you know the roadrunner is done?

      My quote for the week (I want a t-shirt) "None of life's most important questions are ever asked on a standardized test."

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      I agree Linda, it's bureaucracy gone mad, instead of allowing the teachers to teach, teachers instead are worrying about administration matters and tests because that's what is expected and they have to do them because in some ways, they are also measured by these tests and how well they are doing as teachers.

      Many universities will look at those standardized tests to make sure the applicant is able to read, write critically, understand Math etc because the U.S curriculum is not only used in the U.S, it's used all over the world in private schools who use the standardized testing as a benchmark.

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    • wiley
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      And, the movement away from educating children to Education by statistics is national. It is an attempt to destroy the U. S. public schools system started with legislation ironically called No Child Left Behind. A careful reading of that monstrosity will reveal that there is no way any public school can stay alive without wavers. Public schools can not pick and choose their students and they can not even really get rid of miscreants. As we ease up from the stringency of that law, subtle teacher evaluation laws are being passed that will complete the wrecking in a few decades, if not sooner.

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    • Jerry M

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      I remember back in high school (before all this really kicked in), the tests I ate up were those standardized tests because you knew there were option questions and some options could be ruled out quickly leaving only 1 or 2 feasible answers to the test. Sometimes I could ace a test when I hadn't a clue what they were asking me. The harder ones, and the ones I liked, were the essay questions. You had to form your thoughts and then form your arguments in a coherent manner in a limited amount of time. Those essay questions have actually helped me prepare for life a whole lot more than those standardized tests as I have had to think on my feet a whole lot more in life than filling in bubbles with a no. 2 pencil.

      My fondest memories of tests have been the odd ones. I had a German class where the final was going into the profs office and spending 20 minutes holding a conversation with him in German. That was it, no tests or anything, just one long conversation. I remember a comp lit class once where we had read Jane Austen, James Joyce, Borges, Homer and I think Calvino as well as others. For the final, the prof had prepared a sheet of paragraphs from these authors but using different works (so instead of Jane Austen's Emma, which we read, she used Pride and Prejudice) and we had to write a short essay (for each one) on how we knew it was Jane Austen or James Joyce we were reading.

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      Agreed Linda. The standardized testing is like torture for both students and teachers. Imagine staring at students for 8 hours and not being allowed to do anything but wander around making certain they are doing what they are supposed to do. Just watching for hours kids silently scratching things into books, then keeping a classroom of kids quiet while one of them continues to work for hours after everyone else finishes...or even because testing is still going on in other classrooms....

      For the students after 2-3 days of this they are ready to explode, and I don't blame them one iota. The rotten bean counting beaurecrats, and administrations who are out of touch seem to have little concept of how these tests destroy the educational process for data. Half the english teachers in urban districts spend weeks drilling and redrilling students for these tests to the point that they no longer even pretend to teach grammar in the classrooms...and they wonder why the kids can't read....

      I could go on for days.

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    • WordsArtMusic
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      Anybody here want to be Secretary of Education? Mark - didn't you say you were needing a new job?

      Jerry - I like the German and lit tests - THAT is relevancy!

      Wiley - my *favorite* part of NCLB is that "every kid will be performing at their grade level". First of all, babies aren't even born @ the same level, so how are all 8 year olds supposed to do that? And how about every 30 year old person? Are they all performing the same?

      There was a story that went around a few years ago. A school brought in the manager of a successful ice cream factory to tell the teachers how to have the same success in school. One of the teachers said "Yes, but you get to choose only the best blueberries to put in your ice cream."

      Oh, well - one more day! (ours last all week)

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      I remember that story...teachers don't get to pick.

      The sad state is that teachers are blasted for "worksheets" or "top down teaching" having them read a book and answer questions is considered "old school" and you are not supposed to teach that way.....However, the kids can't friggin read! How do you get them to read when you don't allow top down assignments occasionally? I have 15 year olds in 6th grade who can't read...and they are not 504 or special ed by any means. Ones who come in not knowing what country they live in or all 7 continents.

      I hear ya Linda, sometimes being held back helps students catch up.

      Not everyone is "college ready" although our district seems to not be able to understand this. Not everyone is suited for college. Trade schools should not be shunned. Some people go into the millitary.

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      Whoa! Linda did you say Arkansas education ranks 50th in the nation?! That clinches it...if I ever have kids, I am homeschooling. I knew the education was bad but I didn't know it was THAT bad! It is amazing I even know how to read!

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      Good for you, OD. I'm homeschooled - and it totally rocks. :)

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      We have a supercilious little joke here that if you move the MO/AR border north fifty miles, you'll improve the average IQ's of the persons in both states.

      That said, Iowa probably has a similar joke.

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      Ha! I am going to plead the fifth here. I bet a lot of states have a similar one! All of our jokes are about the delta area.

      Duck - I home schooled my kids a couple of years, and should have done so for my oldest for all of her Jr. High and High School years. But not all the schools perform that poorly - some are quite good, especially in the northwest area. And you can't totally blame the schools for poor test results. You would never believe the stories I could tell you about some of the homes of our kids, and we are in the "good" part of the state!

      Mark - You are so right. "Higher level thinking skills" are all well and good, but not if you don't have a foundation of reading and math skills!

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      Linda- yup. looking for work, but my contract is until september:) wish me luck. My "new" principal...Our department had this goal to teach argumentative writing, and I tried to start off by getting the kids familiar with 5 paragraph essay writing (I teach Social Studies)....one of my evals the principal comes in when I have them writing sample thesis statements about anything they want (an atempt to spark creativity)...so I get slammed for not teaching on the cpg and supposedly "not teaching according to the standards for star"....they have 26 lines to answer a question...5 paragraph essays fit perfectly in them....It was nice trying to get the kids to capitalize proper nouns and indent....etc...Odd thing was, I was using it as a stepping stone to the idiotic argumentative essay the department set as a goal...(imagine an urban 6th grader making pro and con arguments in the same essay)...i figured showing them how to make a single argument first would be a good thing...needless to say it was just one of my battles this year with her. Kinda why I handed in my resignation. SHe's been trying to get rid of me since the first month or so when we had a confrontation over time cards...I showed up when the district policy stated, not her earlier time frame...mostly because I had to take my kid to school before work....I can give you other clashes. We had the lowest ohi scores I have ever seen. nothing positive about 30 that I saw. We were number one non-charter/non-magnet in the district before she started....

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      Mark, my heart bleeds, years ago I had a similar situation with a new principal and resigned. Fortunately for me there was a better job just opening up at the time and I snagged it.

      The sad thing is that even though the US (and Arkansas) lag in test scores, we have, before NCLB, produced the most creative and inventive problem solvers of any country in the history of the world. Our coming third world status will be the result of trying to lead the world in test scores.

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      You have it in a nutshell Wiley. I always wondered why, if we were so awful, so many kids from other countries come here.

      Mark - I hate that for you - I cannot understand why you would think the ability to write correctly is the first step in writing an essay!* I have to wonder sometimes where these people have parked their brains. Hopefully you will have the same luck as Wiley.

      We have an administrator who made the comment this year "I can't believe these search engines. Kids can look up the answer to anything."
      Silly me - I thought that was kind of the point of education - finding answers!

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      seriously...ours made a comment how "district policy is written so that we actually can't do anything if a student decides to leave campus"....seriously... in a faculty meeting...? on overhead....

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      That is definitely an award winner!

      I do love that "it's policy" excuse. Hello? Who made the policy? It CAN be changed.

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      This makes me so mad, because you have teachers who want to do a good job and actually think about what they can teach in order to benefit the kids and they get shot down and then they leave because what's the point. I think if a lot of the people doing the talking and making policies actually went into the classroom to teach for a term, they might think differently.

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      You know, WS, we say the same thing in the post office. It's obvious to us, the groundlings, that the policies being enacted have never come from those who have ever gotten their hand dirty down in the trenches. I have always said (and I think I can apply this to teaching as well), if they really wanted this company to succeed, they would sit down with the actual workers and say, what do you need to do to get the job done and that's how you will do your job from now on.

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      But Jerry, my MBA makes me smarter than you and so you can't possibly know more about mail delivery efficiency than I do. You are uppity above yourself for even thinking a mere postman could know as much as a College Man.

      (This is a joke Jerry.)

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      @Linda- By northwest area, I am assuming you meant northwest coast :) I live in Idaho, which is considered to be part of the northwest area of the country. Our education system is crap. To put it mildly :) The surounding states to the east and south are also terrible. Washington and Oregon however, do have some quite good schools that put out quality education.

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      No - I am in the northwest corner of Arkansas. I am guessing there are good schools everywhere, just as there are bad ones.

      Mark and I will be opening up the Slippery Fish School in the near future. :)

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      Yep, but be warned...I'm bringing back the paddle.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Uh, oh. Mark you were talking about spanking in another thread here. Are you as kinky as you seem to be?

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    • WordsArtMusic

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      Removing the paddle was one of the biggest mistakes ever made!

      And oh, please, we will NEVER serve "Breakfast Pizza" - they had that here this morning, and I had breakfast duty. Now I smell like old onions and eggs. If home wasn't 15 miles away, I would go home and shower again. I may anyway. GROSS!

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      I still don't understand how nachos is a proper lunch for kids.....

      Stephen, er...no comment.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      And they wonder why kids are hyper, sluggish and unmotivated, well, stop feeding them crap for start off, but we forget, its not about investing in our children and their welfare, its about money and the system. I am not surprised that more and more parents are taking their children out of schools and teaching them at home! Saying that though, the food was horrible when I was at school, so nothing changes!

      When I reached near to my third year at high school, they banned the cane, which wasn't that long ago, talk about living in the dark ages!

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      Mark - or how they can count ketchup as a vegetable!

      Next year, a serving of meat can only be 1 ounce - that's half a hamburger patty or 1 1/2 chicken nuggets. That's for kindergarten as well as high school seniors!

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      I'm with Mark about the paddle and discipline in general. Saying that, I'm glad that I do not have to administer the paddle. Some of these kids are a lot bigger than me!

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      Linda- the reagan years! I thought they were to be fed not starved?


      Wiley-I'm more afraid of not being able to stop whacking them with the paddle once I'd Started..."teacher bludgens student to death news at 11" I can so see it...

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  • Marguerite M
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    ok, I'm throwing myself on the pile. I have developed this strange obsession with what page I'm on while I'm reading. I look to see how many pages are in the book and calculate what is the half way mark then every time I turn a page I glance at to see how close I am to the half way point and then I'm close I am to being done. The really weird thing is it has nothing to do with how much I'm enjoying the book. I did it all the way through The Return of Merlin which I gave five stars to. I don't know why...it's very strange and I can't seem to stop myself.

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      I've always done that. It's just my way of sometimes looking for milestones, so if there are only a dozen pages or so to hit halfway I might push myself to read a little more. It has no relation to my enjoyment, I do it before I start reading.

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      I've done that before. I try not to. I try to ignore the page numbers as much as possible and then when I'm done reading for the night I glance down and see how far I read and am pleasantly surprised, but most of the time I can't help it and keep checking constantly.

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      Interesting, as I never thought of doing that before!

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    • Rina
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      WS Iin e- format one no longer always gets page #. It depends on the book. Now I think about locations and dots left.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Uh oh, Marguerite, are you a secret obsessive compulsive?

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      Oh right yes, I am a Kindle fan, I don't notice this on the screen. I have become pretty obsessed with my Kindle and have not been able to pick up a paperback. I think it's because I can put my books into little folders and organize, it makes me extraordinarily happy to do so, which means I am having trouble looking at paperbacks!

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      I count pages as well. In fact I track how much I should (reasonably) read a day and I've found that actually helps keep me motivated. Sometimes in the past, I would read a book, get to a slow part, or get busy, and not pick that book up for a while. But by keeping track of my reading, I have been actually making an effort to at least read something everyday. Some days I churn out the numbers and some days I get the bare minimum, but all in all, it's been keeping me reading which I think is the ultimate goal.

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      I've never thought about a story in that manner.

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  • wiley
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    I am dumping the purchase of real estate in general. We have been through so many hoops in the last two months and have to let go of the house because it has mold problems and is un-insurable!

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      That is a shame. Better this than the house make you sick.

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    • Mimsy R
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      Real estate and car buying are unnessarily overburdened with so many layers that even a reasonably intelligent person has trouble:
      1. Believing they are necessary
      2. Thinking we are not getting jacked in some way
      3. taking massive doses of time off work to del with them

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      Don't get me frothing, I tell you, I can't even afford to buy in Vancouver ggrrrrrrr

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      Ha! We looked around in Vancouver and wondered how the 1+million people that live there get by. We could probably afford to eat there (from the market, not in restaurants), but we would have to live on the street, drink only water, and lose the auto life.

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    I'm chucking self-published authors with their spam threads.....grrrrr...then I'm driving in a stake so they can't get back up.

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      they are rather vampire like

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      its like attack of the clones!

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      I keep blocking them- they keep coming back

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    • mark s
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      maybe we need to hang some garlic....

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      Yes, and get some holy water…

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    • Jerry M

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      I would feel better mocking them if I knew they stuck around long enough to read my posts, but I highly doubt that.

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      Hmmm...nomadic vampires. The worst kind.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      I agree! Inky get out your guns - lock and load!

      Yes, I find them highly irritating and if they were flammable, I might be inclined to wave a fire starter under their pants (joking). I do find a lot of people intrude and I don't know whether I am grumpy or whether they are very annoying, but people on the street, people online, people in passing and for example, yesterday, I am sitting outside eating lunch and a guy comes up to me to sell me something, it's just ridiculous, do I look like I want a gym membership, as I eat a mouthful of carbs!!! Sigh

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      Guns out and ready. We fire on your command, WS. :)

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      I was not aware that bullets had any effect on vampires. Zombies and werewolfs- yes. Now blessed crosses…

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      ooh Serpentine, if you go for the brains, they will totter over!! Inky, I think we need cannons as well, nothing like a good blast to get a few!

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      My ACME Super Extra Scatter-Shot Deluxe shoots little balls of garlic in a wide spray with an effective range of about a quarter of a mile (400 M). I have found it to be one of those ACME products that works...on everything except Roadrunners.

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      Really??? Has someone told Anne Rice this…

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    • the Ink Slinger

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      Ah, but these are silver bullets with tiny crosses engraved on the sides. Kill shot for sure. :)

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      @Wiley: That is one sweet gun... :D

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    • Jerry M
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      Now, to not totally bash these people (or vampires, we just don't know yet), I will say that if they stuck around and commented in the group and became a contributor, I would have a different opinion of them. But to just come in, post willy nilly, and then leave, well that just gets my goat.

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      ... to just come in, post willy nilly, and then leave, well that just gets my goat.

      Exactly.

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    • mark s
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      I have these special guns made by Samuel Colt...

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    • Rina
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      Oooh, mark. Have you been trading on the black market again? Because I heard they were not for sale at any price. That you had to know somebody, that knows somebody…

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      Serp, he did know somebody but they are no longer with us, unfortunately. (he,he,he)

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    • Rina
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      I see… I'll get the ship ready for off worlding

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    • mark s
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      Cool, anyone need an interplanetary passport?

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    • Rina
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      I'm good, but could use one with another alias…just to be safe

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    • mark s
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      okay :) How will you be paying today?

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    • Rina
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      You have free passage. The hyper drive is fixed. Where is our destination?

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    • mark s
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      no,no...for the alias. We have several package deals depending on how intense you want to make the fake interplanetary ID. Most aliens don't know about earth, it's kind of a backwater so...its not hard to be a bit creative on THAT end. However, if you want to pass yourself off of as being from a different star system, we will have todo some tweeking.

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      There's this little Asian shop in a back alley of Seattle that does interstellar work fairly cheap without undue cutting. The claim is you can pass as a citizen of any of 5 different galaxies. They use ACME tools for all of their work, of course.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Why do you keep plugging Acme products when you KNOW they haven't done anything to catch that roadrunner?
      I think you should try OMEGA products that really get things done!

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      OMEGA...isn't that the end of the road?

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      I thought we were doing a trade. You get free passage to the off world destination of your choice and I get another passport. Fuel is not cheap-hiding a felon of your skills will take some, as they say finess, but can be done. There was that incident with the ambassador's wife that no one is supposed to know about…which is why I thought you needed transport.
      @ Wiley I need some weapons - can you hook the ship up? And the real thing…

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    • mark s

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      Hmmm...any world....quite a bargain....I garuntee that we do not associate with ACME products anymore...it seems some bird bought all the stock in the company years ago and has been hording the voting shares evert sinc...course all I understand is "beep,beep" ...I always thought he was referencing a song called the Car Wash...but it could have been about a Nash Rangler...of course I spilled a fried twinky from the state fair over the avian setting for my universal translator years ago...he could have simply been laughing at something....as he looked at the sales reports...

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Do people really fry twinkies? talk about mega overload of cholesterol!

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      Nothing in the world better than a deep fried twinky in chocolate sauce...mmmmm.....State Fair has them every year.

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    • wiley
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      No worries Serpentina, for arms I always go to Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, sometimes McDonald Douglas, Uzi's and Czech AK-47s are also on the list. There is this company Isengard Moria Electronics that makes a killer trans-space laser eradicator for ship to ship fire. Delivery is set for May.

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      Excellent- I need an arms expert. Are you set for travel?

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    • mark s
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      wiley, call me mister unadventurous, but I always lean toward an old colt revolver...russian ak-47s are the best model (avoid the chinese version)... BTW Space lasers are a bit passe nowadays...usually we use sonic disruptors, wave motion guns, or the most popular one which we kindly refer to as the " BFG"

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    • Rina
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      OMG- this is just like FireFly and we have not left the island

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      Aha BFG will get some, then we will be ready to go.

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  • Wandering Sparrow
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    Having just created my list for the 2012 Slippery Fish Nominations, I have realised that I have barely put any books on my Shelfari! Majority of the ones I listed aren't on my shelf! I must get more pro-active, as I am letting the side down!

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      Have you linked your amazon account ?

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      whoaaaa really!?! Noooooo, I haven't! I will toddle off to figure that out!!

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    • jkdavies
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      I can't link my amazon account as it only recognises amazon.com and not amazon.de or amazon.co.uk or any other country other than the USA.... grrr...

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      Well then what are all the people doing that are linked that live in say India, Australia, The Netherlands, England?

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    • Ladyslott
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      They can still log in using the old credentials, but you can't link to Amazon.

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      Thanks for that- I thought we were world connect

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  • Jerry M
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    Want to repeat Mark's comments about self-promoting authors. Grrrr. They can really get under my skin sometimes. In Foggie's discussion group this English author comes in and starts making backhanded insults towards a whole lot of people all the while saying "this is not self-promotion...but let's talk about my books". Usually I am like Mark, and usually leave one to two sentence commentaries gently mocking said promoter for promoting. Usually I am feeding off Mark and we go have a joyride through that self-promoter's thread :) But this guy got my goat and I left a three paragraph review on what I thought was wrong with him. He had the nerve to tell Ladyslott that her name might be construed as somewhat smutty over there in England. WS, I might have you go over there and kick him in his wobbleybobs.

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      Jerry, I would delete that thread but I'm having too much fun watching the fight. FIGHT!! FIGHT!!

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      He's a pompous asshat. I'm English and you're just stupid ugly Americans. And Ladyslott, what the hell kind of name is that? Here in England that's just dirty. Oh I was warned not to join any groups here because Americans all fly off the handle and don't know how to behave as we English do. By the way would you read my book? I'm not plugging my book, but you should check my shelf- where all the books are mine and have 5 stars.

      I'd love him to bring his obnoxious self to this group - now that would be fun, I'm not as witty as you all are.

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      Wow that's just not on, how obnoxiously rude and yeh, I am going to get a whacking ball and ruddy well take aim!

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      What an ass. Somebody should lure him over to this island... he wouldn't know how to handle all of us at one time. :D

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      *gasp* Did Ink just use profanity, or am I hallucinating??? ;)

      Agreed. We would kick his his wobbleybobs through words! He would be reeling from our threshing of his self-important nastyness!!!

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      @Biblio: LOL! I'm using "ass" in the Wodehousian sense - as in a "donkey".

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      Thank you for clarifying Ink. I almost fainted from shock. lol

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    • mark s
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      What group would this be...? I'm thinking of joining.

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    • Halo
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      It’s Foggie’s group:

      http://www.shelfari.com/groups/10096/about

      I think it’s the discussion about middle aged women, old farts and ereaders.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      And Jerry, take back that apology, please. He doesn't deserve one.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      I would like to know who sent private emails to Chris Lane, and what they contained.

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      The guy would find himself stripped of his feathers right quick!

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    • Rina

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      The sarcasm here is so scathing on a daily basis he would be crying like a little girl.
      @ Star I thought Ink had joined us and I was going to join you for a fainting spell- LOL
      @ Lady - you should just cut and paste your reply from here to there- what a jack wagon!

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      Mark has now placed his opinion of the guy now. Talk about scathing!

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    • Ladyslott
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      I'm willing to bet PlanetJ is one, don't know who else.

      The thing that really bother me is that he started a whole brouhaha at another group I am an administrator of The Historical Fiction Group. He was so incensed that he decided to go to another group that specifically didn't like Historical Fiction to prove the point that he was right. Pretty dumb move since no where in Foggie's group does it say anything about being a group thats hates Historical Fiction. In addition there is a large crossover between the two groups. He's gotten very few replies to Why I Hate Historical Fiction. He's been extremely obnoxious in is Why don't young adults use Kindles, where he thought it was funny to insult me.

      If you want a great few of his pomposity and idiocy you can find the first thread here:

      http://www.shelfari.com/groups/16073/discussions/439347/Do-writers-of-Historical-Fiction-show-off-at-the-expense-of-pace?showall=true#10557257

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    • mark s
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      I hate pompus @$$e$. Besides the private messages go straight to e-mail...sheesh.

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      Where is that guy coming from? It seems he wants controversy and antagonism directed toward him or maybe he is just dense.

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      I think he was trying to be charming and strike up a bit of contreversy for heated discussion and it backfired.

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      Sure makes me want to go buy his books.... NOT!

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      I just his threads. I am of the opinion that we should indeed kick him in the wobbleybobs. Figuratively and literally :)

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      I think he stuck his foot in his mouth and didn't have the sense to apologize right away without his cockamamie explanations.

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      I'm not sure he's for real any more. He may just be a made up character that someone is using to cause havoc. Do the British use 'pissed'?

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    • Halo
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      Far too much jackwagonry for me to be interested in reading through.

      Although, I’ve always said I admire a person that has the attention span to sit down and write an entire book... I just can’t imagine reading his. Spew, spew, spew, me, me, me, lookit me! I know some decent sized words AND I have time on my hands.

      Remember how Amazon also allowed the self-published pedophile to sell his book for a few hours?

      Yeah, so that don’t impress me much anymore.

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      Let's H-Pod him. Every time he posts we can just post H-Pod and nothing else. Le hmmm? I think I will go drop some H-Pod's on him now :)

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    • Halo
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      Oh yes, H-Pods!

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      What, pray, are H-Pods?

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      Just a form of group social disgust. One phrase. Nothing else. The person merits not a sentence, just an H-Pod.

      You can be disgusted and not be rude or buy into his really poorly constructed arguments. I am going to let Myra argue with him :D

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    • Halo
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      Weird. Chicken? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink?

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    • Chris_LANE 

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      I likes roosters the best of all!

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      Someone left the barn door open.

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      Sonofa... dangit. I was last out, mea culpa.

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      Wait. So this Chris person was Foggie the whole time?

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    • Ladyslott
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      No. One is Chris Lane. The other is Chris_Lane.

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    • Jerry M
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      I just logged on, hahahahahaha. And I almost fell over my chair when Ink said ass. And to think I was going to watch a Giants-Mets double-header (actually I was but my wife forgot to record the first game, doh).

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      Glad you found it amusing, Jerry. :D I guess that's what comes of reading P.G. Wodehouse...

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      Dang Yanks beat the rangers...

      I look at Chris_Lane's page with the gay cowboy books and just have to shake my head...


      Just got an idea for the other group....I'll ask him about the books..

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      Alright, will the real Chris_Lane please stand up?

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    • mark s
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      Looks like I got a threat from Lane on my page...

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    • Jerry M
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      Did someone delete that whole thread? Did it go nuclear?

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      It was those darned Space Marines, Jerry....

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      I guess they had to be sure...

      And what kind of threat, Mark?

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      The same one I got on my page.

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      By the way, what happened to this Chris_Lane avatar? It must have been deleted by the creator or maybe admin?

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      I just responded to his threat on his home page.

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      So did I.

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      Mimsy is very sorry for causing unhappiness or unpleasantness to anyone on the island. Myra was supposed to be an April fools - and should have stayed that way.

      Mimsy was most indisposed at the time and was not thinking straight. Mimsy had been to the hospital again and was on very strong opiate pain killers. Alas, they didn't make Mimsy sleepy - just turned off that part of the brain that tells one that something is probably best not done. Mimsy might even have been having a self pity party and thought being annoying would be fun.

      Le sigh. Neither Mimsy or Myra is going to apologize to the furmirous blowhard hack.

      Again, Mimsy is definitely sorry for any inconvenience or annoyance caused to other islanders and would completely understand if leaving the island would make life easier for everyone else. You may answer here or privately.

      M

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      Check out this brilliant Chris Lane quote:

      "...do not do ANY research about the period I am writing about, unless I'm bored, and even then rarely use it on the stories."

      I bet that makes a great historical fiction book....NOT! Uh what part of historical doesn't he understand?

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    • Halo
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      Mimsy! Do NOT be ridiculous. Clearly, the opiates have left you addled. Myra was a most welcome April Fool's joke, and and Chris_Lane/ Chris Lane deserved ever so much more ribbing than he got. The man is a troll, and if he hadn't continued being a whiny little salope (pardon mon francais, s'il vous plait) then perhaps I might have even invited him to stay and visit the island for a while.

      As it is, dear, dear Mimsy- Mr. Lane is the one that we will be feeding to the sharks, should he grace us again with his presence here on the island. And I'll let Myra be the one that pushes him overboard.

      I thought the whole thing made for some rollicking good reading.

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      Did he actually come to the Island? I didn't see him.

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      Mimsy, I agree with Halo, Myra was funny and not annoying. We need a little mystery and frolic in our lives or we wouldn't be on this Isle of Joy.

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    • Jerry M
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      With all the wrangling that's gone on, I think both sides have made their points. What Chris' points are, we still aren't sure, but I am confident that he has made them. Anyway, I think the fun is wrapping up and time to move onto more deserving topics in literature.

      One good thing has come out of this. If Myra was spoiling for a fight then I am glad she chose Mr. Lane and not one of us :)

      Ah, satire and Mr. Lane go together well, I must avoid that. Mimsy- water under the bridge. The only thing we have to look forward to are that other philistines are out there waiting for Teg Myra to rise up again.

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      I think Myra was ruddy marvelous and had us all amused, don't yea worry Mimsy, we think you and Myra are fab!

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      Mimsy, you didn't cause any of us any unhappiness. Maybe for CL, but I think he is passive-aggressive so he is probably getting what he wants too. DRAMA!!!!!

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      Mimsy, we all like Myra...no offense taken....seriously:) No unhappiness or unpleasantness... I thought it was an awesome prank. Chin up. Don't let one person ruin it.

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      "...do not do ANY research about the period I am writing about, unless I'm bored, and even then rarely use it on the stories."

      Hmmm... so how does one write good historical fiction without the "history" part? I wonder what Bernard Cornwell, G.A. Henty, and C.D. Baker would think of that...

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      Alternative historical writing. Somewhere, some dimension nothing happened and I am writing about that time frame. Borges would be proud.

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      hahaha you are ruddy effervescent Jerry hahahaha

      Well who knew that such drama existed on Shelfari, and Mimsy, don't you worry buttercup, bless your wee socks, all is good in the Isles of Slippery Zombie Fishes!!!

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      Just remember Mimsy, it's never a cloudy day on The Fish.

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      In defense of Ringo and Sterling, Westerfeld and Priest, even alternate history writers study the period they are altering!!! (Sorry, couldn't help the superfluous exclamation marks, I'll do better, I promise)

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      Truly said, Wiley. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that one can succeed at writing good historical fiction/alternate-history without researching the period in question. Isn't that like someone thinking they could do advanced math without first learning how to add and subtract?

      Speaking of alternate-history - has anyone read Harry Turtledove? My Dad recommended Guns of the South, which is one of his favorites.

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      I have seen Turtledove in the library and I am wondering too.

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      Cryptomicron is a good example of alternate history, told in tandem with real history. Neal Stephenson really made it original and mostly interesting.

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      Thanks for the recommendation, Mimsy! What genre would you consider Stephenson's Snow Crash? Sci-fi or Cyberpunk?

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      Stephenson straddles genres like some musicians like Johnny Cash were able to. Snow Crash was sci-fi, no doubt - yet it was obviously poured with more than a jigger or two of cyberpunk.

      My review from Cryptonomicrom (can't spell that word for taffy!)

      I admire this book. It was interesting. It was interesting on so many levels it took me a couple of weeks to read it. I kept stopping to pull out some other book so I could get a grip on the math and logic sequences. It isn’t necessary to do so to follow the story, I simply wanted to have certain points be clear.
      At first I found it a bit tough going. The story reminded me of Silmarillion by Tolkein, in that the characters names were so similar that it was difficult to follow who was doing what.
      After you get a feel for the author’s subtle changes in tone and cues that deal with the time period it gets easier. The names are confusing, because they are all related. The one set of persons all being descendants of the other, except Enoch Root.
      The story roves through WWII and the silicon valley boom, alternating back and forth, yet telling the same story. Nicely done.
      The detail is fantastic, the stories upon stories, within stories and building to stories is executed very well.
      Personally I didn’t like some of the war and techno/cyber descriptions. Yes, I know it was a story about a war and computers. The war just kept touching on things, things I wished would be forgotten or go away. A ripple effect of so many magnitudes that you don’t see the wave occurs a number of times, until in the 1990 section of the book a character is somehow influenced by what his grandfather did on an island in the middle of the Pacific during WWII.
      All this faint praise being dealt, and yet, I think I will read the rest of the books. I am interested. I want to know what happens. Stephenson tells a good story.

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      Wow, look at this exaggeratin of the facts: http://www.shelfari.com/winterslights

      Seriuously, Days?Days? FOul Language? Does shelari even allow you to use foul language? THis dude is seriously milking it out.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Not only does he want attention, he wants sympathy.

      Come to MAMA, sweetheart!

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    • Halo
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      I saw that too, Mark. I’m feeling like I might have to buckle down here and do a serious profile on this guy, actually read through all of his posts.

      Plus, I don’t feel like cleaning my house and a serious profile would take up a significant portion of my morning.

      It’s a hobby.

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      The Profiler: she was a mild mannered blogger by day, but by night she stalked the threads looking for trouble. It had been slow, but there in ithe gritty backwater threads she saw what she was looking for- H-pod…

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    • Odd_Duck
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      Maybe he is in cahoots with Carmen Sandiego.... Go get 'em Gumshoes.

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    • Halo
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      hahaha... gritty backwater threads!!! Gumshoes :) Y’all are funny!

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      oh my gawd ya make me cackle hahahaha oh this poor chap, he is obviously one short of a biscuit tin!

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      @Halo- Please please profile this guy. I would love to see the results. I quite loathe this fellow and his antagonistic drivel.

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    • Mimsy R

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      I dunno about he profile might get you insticky water
      He says he is so stressed he needs a lawyer to sue someone. I like chickens is stressing him? Why, is he a vegetarian? And his comments on gay romance make him sound like a serious hater - why is he so upset about that. Is he a homophobe? Or someone otherwise routinely cruel to people with alternative lifestyle choices? Hmmm

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    • Eve

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      OMG what the heck is going on here?? LOL I was only gone for a minute and all hello kitty breaks loose.

      I liked Myra because she made me look shmaaat, you know, cuz, I done figgered her out! I don't have any idea who or what this Chris Lane nonsense as about] Should I just go back to bed and forget about it?

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      Oh Eve, this chap has been upsetting Shelfarians with his boorish opinions and rude comments, people have stood up to him and now he is pretending he is being victimized. It's quite an ugly scene and I think perhaps he wants to get another rise from someone to justify his behaviour. I don't think this chap understands the etiquette of online groups, he is one to stay very much clear from, as he isn't about the community and isn't interested in discussing literature in a fun and easy manner.

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      If you follow Foggy's link you will see him at his most childish. Ugh

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    • Mimsy R

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      OMG. He's gone. Disappeared. Good. I like reading, discussing and even arguing with more reasonable people.

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      I liked Janice's reply.

      Ink, I have read Guns of the South and enjoyed it. I also started his series but have not finished it.

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    • Halo
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      I’m a bit disappointed, really. Seems he is gone, as are most of his posts. Poo.

      Perhaps I should refrain from profiling him, until the dust settles a bit. I wouldn’t want to cause any mental anguish... or get sued. However, it could cause an international sensation, particularly if he wrote about it in his plethora of columns published in massive publications around the world. Ohmygosh, think of it- I could be famous! I’d get snapped up by the Eff-Bee- Eye! And the CEESIS (Canadian equivalent), or maybe... maybe even Em-eye-five!! That would be so cool.

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      Yes he is gone. But he'll probably come back as another avatar.

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    • WordsArtMusic
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      Never fear - he doesn't do research, remember?

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    • Rina
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      He'll be a zombie next

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    • BookSnacker

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      Come on Serpentina! That was mean to the zombies. I don't think they would want to claim him either...

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      No brains left, huh? No wonder they don't want him...

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      *sobbing, I'm sorry* zombie is too good, I take it back

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    • Jerry M

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      Isn't it amazing how dangerous a little ignorance is?

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    • Halo
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      Ignorance is indeed danderous. I sneeze every time I’m around ignant folks, have to take my pills ;-)

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      ouch!

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    • Jerry M
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      ergh, should edit my own work. I pulled a CL!

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      I thought you applying for a job at Halo's work.

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      I thought you did it on purpose too, a continuation of the joke.

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    • Halo
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      haha- sorry, I couldn’t resist. Danderous sounds like a real word. Along with seriosity and irregardless. I recently decided that nervosity is also a word.

      p.s. Um, don’t tell the Black Comma that I’ve been making up words again.


      Irregardless, I don’t think you realize the seriosity of my nervosity when I’m in close proximity with danderous folks. I don’t think you do.

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      @Serp- It's ok. I also thought zombies were the lowest of the low... Until CL showed up.

      @Halo- I seriously snorted my water through my nose. I have never done that before. It hurts :) So quit being such a hilariousitist!

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    • Halo

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      haha sorry :) I have snorted water through my nose, and yes it’s unpleasant- diet pepsi is worse though. :D

      Oh, and I think this may very well be the longest thread in SFI history. Controversy and jackwagonry bring us together. Sniff, someone hand me a kleenex, please :)

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      Here Halo...You can use my handkerchief.

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    • Mimsy R

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      Jackwagonry - nice. He was a git - trying to parley H-Pod into a profanity. For the love of pete - IF I am going to swear, I'll just do it.

      H-Pod is the equivalent of Gandhi, just lying down in front of the police horses and then refusing to engage any further. AND CL was the one who suggested that Lady's online name was reference to something crude. Gutter dweller.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      CL is back and he has deleted our comments to him on his home page. Check out his rant on the British/American group from his page.

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    • Ladyslott
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      Apparently I went mental! I won't give anymore of my time to him. If you want to read his rant it's here:

      http://www.shelfari.com/groups/96582/discussions/440811/UK-AUTHORS-NEW-TO-SHELFARI-WARNING-There-be-dragons-here-or-at-l?showall=true#10617624

      Foggy - be warned he's still a member of your group, stalking to see if we talk about him, so I suggest we not feed his paranoia.

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      I don't have anything HUGE to say - other than 100, yeah baby, 100 responses on this thread.

      He wrote that huge idiotic self pity party and then responded to himself. He is a pretty nasty piece of work. All the men are fat and bald and all of us ladies are either ugly, unmarketable or have non de plumes to be crude (LS, I know you are not) In itself seems pretty abusive - that we are ALL, ugly,fat and thick.

      I wonder if we should all hit the abuse button.

      He really needs some counseling!

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    • Halo

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      That’s it! I’m putting up a real picture of myself. One with my best sneer, or ‘the look’, or librarian-ish.

      I just wanted to make this thread have 101 posts.

      And I agree with Ladyslott- we should just ignore him. I love that he said the offenders have been ‘booted’. I guess y’all have been detained at the island for now.

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      Did y'all notice that there are only 2 other members in his group and they have only responded to one or two of his "discussions"?

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    • Rina
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      And now thinking how do I get out of this

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      This guy is definitely trying to antagonise everyone, and sadly, desperate for attention. Ladyslot, take no notice of the fool, he is just being his normal self, which is being nasty. He has no audience, so he is not worth bothering about. However, I wouldn't want to be in the same group as him, as he has nothing good to say and he obviously isn't a reader, I mean what person joins a historical fiction group and then goes on about how much they hate historical fiction, he is obviously someone who just wants to have drama and lives in cuckoo land.

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    • Rina
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      Oh WS you wee poppet! 'lives in cuckoo land'

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      Has anyone else noticed this guy's penchant for being overly-dramatic? If I was just a newcomer to Shelafri, and I stumbled across his postings - I'd have a tremendously hard time trying to take him seriously.

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      He reminds me of a 2 year old throwing a fit. Kicking and screaming on the ground.

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    • wiley
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      Danderously flaking huge tanish chunks from his bald head the obese historical fiction best-selling self-promoting anfd publishing orcfish rides off into the sunrise in his jackwagon and four unheralded and unheard.

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    • Moisture Farmer
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      Nice, wiley.

      How does one say "good riddance" poetically? "Farewell, ye snortling, bombastic, pusillanimous orcfish"?

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    • the Ink Slinger
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      That works. :)

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    • Mimsy R
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      I can't help myself. I read his post on how to artificially raise the stats of your ebook - by playing games with other authors. This behavior and he wants Amazon to be his friend?

      Sheesh

      "Hi - it is on my shelf but is called "HOW to publish your e-book, BUT MORE IMPORTANT: WHY? WHAT? HOW TO BE BRAVE ENOUGH. WHAT TO TELL PEOPLE WHO MOCK YOU. (And HOW TO CHEAT) [Kindle Edition] " Phew! It is in my Amazon proful [sic] as well.
      Cheating means making your book visible in the top 100 so you sell it. (enough said here!)
      In the specific issue raised in this site it means that if you are a UK author you buy the books of a pre-agreed USA author, and visa versa, so pushing you both into the top 100 (unless you ar [sic] in a vastly overlflowing category, in whcih case you are doomed) It works and is very cheap"

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    • Jerry M
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      Sheesh, I go away to watch a few ball games and this monster has risen with a life of its own. EDIT. I was going to try a CL self-pity rant as a joke but I couldn't do it. It wasn't sitting well when I was starting it.

      You know, if you ever have to talk to CL in future posts I think direct quotes from Jabberwocky would be appropriate. Imagine the hilarity as he tries to tell Shelfari that we are talking gibberish to him.

      CL: I wish to complain. I am getting gibberish comments and I know it is some form of New World slang meant to slander me.
      Shelf Admin: What? Jabberwocky?
      CL: Jabberwhat?
      Shelf Admin: They are quoting Jabberwocky at you. You know, from Lewis Carroll, that's not abusive.
      CL: Never heard of her. You know, I would have if she were English, of course.
      Shelf Admin: Hmmmm. (fingers the abuse button)

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    • Ladyslott
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      I know I said no more, but after Jerry's post I went back to read the group description, which is pretty entertaining, but by far the best was saved for last. The closing of his self promotional group:

      Not pushing my own books but there are 3 of us on Amazon / Shelfari called Chris Lane: I'm the one who wrote the comedy novels Bloodwrath, Swipers, The Fairy Saga, etc.
      Get the right Chris Lane; one of the others writes about gay cowboys so you might get an unexpected reply. Yee-ha! :)

      Also I noted that he is not the administrator of the group he founded, Amanda is and she is the person you go to here at Shelfari, so perhaps they are aware that he's a little "odd" shall we say? And took over the group.

      And that is my final last word about CL

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    • Halo
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      Jerry- I love the Jabberwocky idea. Love it. I think that would work tremendously well. I just wish he’d come back so we can do that.

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    • Moisture Farmer

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      If I felt up to the task, I'd seriously consider pulling a Myra and making my own Chris Lane profile, then joining this group to watch the sparks fly. I could post something like this in the Introductions thread:

      Howdy blokes (and blokesses, LOL)!

      I'm Chris Lane, and I'm new to this group (though certainly not new to Shelfari). You might know me as the author of a number of books on gay cowboys which is a truly heartwrenching topic. Many people (and I could name a few!!!) don't appreciate the real complexities and psychlogical nuances gay cowboys face in our modern world. Anyway, all great authors are always looking for feedback on their works, and I'm certainly no different. I'm sure a few of you (the ones with wider reading horizons, at least) will have read a few of my books, so let's talk! What did you find great about my writing? I'm sure we can't cover it all in one discussion, but that's the great thing about Shelfari, huh? Always more time to dicusss my books!

      -CL

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    • Halo
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      And I would respond with something like this:

      And the mome wraths outgrabe

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    • Mimsy R

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      I think we should just use punctuation. Words are wasted on him, as as the resident MIMSY from the Carroll - well, he is not worthy to have the words from one of my favorite poems quoted at him. Although I admit, the Knave's defense would provide a lot of fodder.

      Also, responding to him - many of us - would bring him HERE. No thank you. Unless we all set our profiles to hide our books & groups for a while.

      I too feel the need to engage - but we must be clever about. We must not be old, fat, ugly, bald, unmarriageable or thick. (or gay - he seems to harbor some real animosity towards alternative lifestyle persons)

      Just a few thoughts. Again, I am usually one to jump right into the fray - but mentally unbalanced self-published authors need some forethought.

      Lemme get one thing straight from Lady S's quote of CL - there are 3 Chris Lanes - and the other two write about alternative lifestyle animal husbandry professionals? Methinks the 'author' protests to much.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Have you people realized that he has caused a lot of talk about him?
      Is he really worth it? We must find him entertaining. Hey, what about Jerry's suggestion, about the abuse button?
      What would happen if everyone pressed his abuse button and what do you do after you press it?
      Does anyone know?

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    • Mimsy R
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      I pressed it. It offers an opportunity to say what you think, why you believe the 'thing' you are complaining about is abuse etc.

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    • Moisture Farmer
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      @Foggie: True! The very fact that we're wasting time talking about him is saying he might be worth it. Ugh.

      I'm thinking the Abuse button might be similar to the "Press Here to Add Drama" button...

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Drama is up my daughter's alley.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      I think he is trying to throw a spanner in the works and wants someone to get all beefy with him. It's all a load of codswallop and I think we should ignore him, eventually he will self-combust.

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    • Ladyslott
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      I agree. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Let him squeak all he wants, and let's not grease him. Maybe he will freeze up and be unable to spin his wheels again.

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    • Mimsy R
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      Well played. I agree.

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    • Jerry M
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      Well, he does provide a valuable service. He is the poster child for how NOT to advertise yourself on the site. If you decide to publish a book, do the opposite of him and you will probably be amazed.

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    • mark s
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      Maybe we should get Halo a superpowers cape.

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    • Mimsy R
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      Whatever makes you think she doesn't have one?

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    • mark s
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      :D BTW Mr Lane's profile is still there. I assume he just chose to block some people and erase his posts.

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    • Halo
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      I have two superpowers capes. One for spring/summer and one for fall/winter (it’s cold here).

      He was highly entertaining, that CL.

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    • BookSnacker
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      He was highly pissing me off. The jackwagon :)

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  • mark s
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    They blocked shelfari at my work now:(

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    • Jerry M
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      What? This aggression shall not stand.

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      Did they see you using it? or are others at your work using it, too?

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    • Halo
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      How silly.

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    • Rina
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      Well, I got told that I may not read electronically at work. No one else just me.

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    • Mimsy R
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      My work doesn't like it either, hence my sometimes wonky posts from my iPhone :)

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      So they are saying that you cannot even read emails from the 'boss'. How convenient!

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    • Rina
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      I could point that out to her, but; Oh just what I need to be- more of a smart-ass at work

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    • Eve

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      Oh that is an inconvenience for sure... so sorry.

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    • llevinso
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      So what you’re saying is...you’re quitting your job?

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    • Rina
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      She meant novels. Her verbiage was not well thought out. As other staff use reading apps, kindles, etc. I cannot.

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      I encourage smart-ass Serp and whilst being smart-arsed wearing some lovely shoes!

      I don't understand why you would not be able to read novels, what would that encourage...um...good reading...er....learning....widening ones horizon!?! I can understand that you don't want employees accessing controversial information and illegal downloads, like porn etc, whilst using work computers in work time. However, if you are on a break and you want to read or look up a website, I don't see why you can't but then I suppose there are always a small minority that will abuse this situation and use work computers for other more seedy vices.

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    • Rina
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      My login can't access the Internet but my phone can. But so can many other people. Whatever. I'm going to read at work the novels that I cannot get in ereading format. And just flow around her like water

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    • wiley
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      Serp, you go girl!

      Mark, I am sorry. I do most of my Shelfariing at work in the lulls beteen the storms.

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    • Jerry M
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      My job is not computer friendly, so all my posts have to occur at home. Aslo, even if it were friendly, there are no lulls to our storms :(

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    Here’s something for the pile: stupid people. Specifically the people on my bus in the mornings that refuse to move to the back so us folks at the front have to squish all together and become a tangled mess while everyone else on the bus just has plenty of room. Look, I get it, no one likes riding on the bus next to a bunch of strangers. But that’s the public part of public transportation. Deal with it. You see that the back of the bus is emptying out...that means you move to the back so that more people can get on in the front. That way everyone gets to work on time. I can’t tell you the number of times a bus has passed my bus stop because the front is jammed with passengers but the back is soooo bare it’s ridiculous. So jerks who refused to move just made the people at our bus stop late for work.

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    • Marguerite M
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      Yup, I'll add to that. People who have a seat and refuse to allow a pregnant woman to sit. I almost pulled a young girls hair out of her head. Her and her friend were sitting there giggling and this poor woman who looked like she was about to go into labor was standing there in obvious discomfort. I wanted to smack the spit out of both of them. Of course a young African American male stood and allowed the woman to sit and when another seat became available he motioned me to take it. A true gentleman and those girls just sat and giggled and made fun of everyone else.

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    • llevinso
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      Oh that’s awful. And the thing about that too is, it’s not just uncomfortable to stand during the bus ride while pregnant, it’s also dangerous. Buses sometimes have to make sudden stops and even if you’re holding on you can easily stumble or smack into someone or something. If you’re pregnant this can be very dangerous for yourself and the baby. That’s why they suggest sitting down. Shame on those snickering girls!

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    • Wandering Sparrow
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      There are so many aggravating thoughts that come up when thinking about commuting on a bus, it's enough to give you palpitations! This is why instead, I get irritated when cycling, instead of being irritated on the bus, I admit the cycling is less irritating tho' and feel privileged to live close enough and safe enough to ride, many people can't do that for many reasons.

      Here are my top dislikes when commuting by bus (apologies if you might do this):

      1) Picking nose, scratching ya wobbleybobs consistently, clipping your nails, painting your nails
      2) Backpack on shoulders, just to make things far more difficult for everyone, to have a bag in your face throughout your journey
      3) Bellowing like a town crier, your entire life story over the phone, regardless of whether it's 6.30am or 5.30pm.
      4) Grumpy and rude bus drivers who drive like maniacs
      5) Mr Creepy Man I do not want to talk to you, instead I think you would find having a conversation with yourself more profitable.
      6) And generally having to tell people to stop doing what they are doing, even though they should know, i.e. take your backpack off, stop throwing nail clippings over me, move down so we can all get on the bus and no, stop talking Mr. I am a creepy Man.
      See this is why I started commuting for my sanity! You all need a medal for commuting by bus!

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    • Halo
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      I am unable to commute to work- I work in the middle of nowhere! Sometimes, this makes me sad... but not today! ;-)

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    • WordsArtMusic
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      Exactly what I was thinking! Just last week, I thought, "Wouldn't it be great to live in a city, where I could just ride a bus and not have to deal with car insurance, and stupid drivers, and broken transmissions?"

      I am definitely re-thinking my attitude.

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      That is why I love Salt Lake City, Utah. It is small enough that you can drive without too much trouble, but there is a bus system and a train system. Depending on your mood, you could choose any which way you like to get to work :)

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    • Foghorn Leghorn
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      I've been to Salt Lake City a couple of times. It seems like they had it all planned out as a grid. It was fairly easy to find things. But of course that was many, many years ago so it could have changed some. Is it still like a grid in the growing areas, Bibliostar?

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    • llevinso
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      Oh Sparrow, I love your list. I’ve complained about basically every single one of those things before. Especially backpack guy. They never seem aware of WHERE their backpack is! Just la la la and smacking me in the face. And yes, maybe it’s rude, but I don’t want to talk to strangers when I’m on the bus. That’s why I bring my book. Isn’t it more rude that you, Mr. Stranger, are interrupting me while I’m reading? That’s a social cue to leave me be.

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    • BookSnacker
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      @Fog- It is very much a grid system. New areas just keep rising in number. There are a few main roads that have names, but that is easy to figure out.

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    • Jerry M
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      This is a small joke I learned at work and it may work for you, Lara. We used to take paper clips and unwind one end making a hook. We would then loop rubberbands together making a tail and latch it onto the clip. When you walk behind someone, look for a belt loop and hook the rubberband tail onto it. It shouldn't be too hard to do that to a backpack and you could put pictures of My Little Pony or something like it on the end of that tail. That person then walks around with a picture of My Little Pony for awhile and never knows it.

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    • Moisture Farmer

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      No wonder the price of mail keeps going up! Somebody's got to keep paying for all those paperclips and rubber bands.

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    • Jerry M
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      Nah, after the second attempt, people were onto me.

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