-Harry Bosch: LAPD detective - The hero of the Bosch series-Jerry Edgar: Harry Bosch's partner-John Rourke: FBI special agent in charge-Eleanor Wish: FBI agent-Pierce Lewis: Internal Affairs officer-Don Clarke: An internal affairs detective who's job is to investigate possibly corrupt cops.-Edward "Sharkey" Niese: A street kid who sets up and robs homosexuals by pretending to be a male hooker, witness-Ngo Van Binh: Vietnamese captain that smuggled diamonds out after the war.-Martin B. Avery III: Owner of a private security business-Gene Delgado: Vietnam vet who knew Meadows-Dr. Jesus Salazar: Chief medical examiner-Irvin Irving: L. A. police chief-Nguyen Tran: Former Vietnamese official-Larry Sakai: LAPD coroner's tech-Orozco: Beverly Hills police officer-Rebecca Kaminski: Young prostitute-Art Franklin: Vietnam vet who knew Meadows-Houck: FBI agent-Hanlon: FBI agent-Galvin Junior: Internal Affairs officer-Ed Gearson: DWP Underground Facilities Supervisor-Harriet Beecham: Robbery victim-Harvey Pounds: Harry's boss-Hector Villabona: Dept of Immigration and Naturalization-William Joseph Meadows: Vietnam vet found dead in a tunnel-Daryl Slater: Meadow's parole officer-Mr. Obinna: Pawn shop owner-Bob Ernst: State Department contact of Eleanor's-Art Donovan: Crime scene tech-Michael Scarletti: Eleanor's brother-Joel Bremmer: Reporter covering the cop shop for the Tmes-Crowley: Sergeant on duty who first responded to the initial 911 call-Thelia King: Officer at Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums-Veronica Niese: Edward "Sharkey" Niese's mother-James Grant: Associate at Beverly Hills Safe & Lock</b>
1. Did you get a sense right from the beginning that Harry was not really a part of the brotherhood of police officers?
Yes, but I have read this series out of order, so already knew that.
I did. He seemed to like to do things his own way from the start.
He's definitely not a team player. Kind of has his own way of doing things.
Yes, I did. You knew from the start that he was a loner.
Same as you all.
Yes, Harry made it quite clear from the start that he played by a different set of rules. He also made it clear that the other officers didn't like him much because of his popularity with the press.
2. Usually in novels or on the screen we see partners as either clashing or as soul mates. However, with Harry and his partner Edgar we see that they are neither. How did you see them and did you find this interesting?
It fits with Harry and how he works--partners are there, but he seems to prefer working on his own and working with a partner only when he has to. Even with a partner, Harry works alone many times and the partner is doing other work alone also. They work in parallel, but not necessarily together.
I agree with Mrs. K. They never really seemed to be partners. Just detectives that worked together in the same department.
I agree also. It felt like Edgar and Harry were just cops working together and not partners. I wonder if Harry has been through a lot of partners with his years on the force.
I always got the sense that they didn't trust one another and I was intrigued to find out why. I thought Edgar respected him but he has his own agenda.
Yeah, I don't think it helped that Edgar was not that into being a police officer but in selling real estate. I think as Harry was almost born a cop this adds to them not gelling. I liked that Edgar is not out to get him too.
I agree. They were more just-plain co-workers than partners. They respected each other, and to a certain degree they liked each other. But, they didn't have the "I can put my life in your hands" partnership. There wasn't much trust. Even when Harry got Edgar off the hook during his private investigation of the Meadows case.
3. Harry is teamed up with a FBI agent who does not have his back fully. What did you think of Harry and Eleanor partnering up?
I think Harry found her interesting and it was how he could work the case, so he went along with having her as a partner.
Agree with Mrs. K again. Harry won't to work the case, so he sucked it up and agreed to work with her.
I felt like he would go along with anyone who was assigned to him as long as he got to work the case.
I had the same feeling as Robin. He seemed to reserve judgment for awhile but had that natural mistrust of the Feds.
Harry was good at separating what he personally felt with what was important for the case. he knew that he had to go along if the case was going to move forward but still looked out for himself.
She started out as a means to an end. He wanted to work the case and he wanted the information she had from the feds. So he was going to tolerate her to get that information.
4. Did you trust Eleanor?
I did, but had some issues with the fact that she didn't seem to want to agree with anything he said.
I trusted her. I figured it would take her a while to trust Harry as a partner, and for him to trust her too.
I didn't from the beginning. I felt that she should have been either was all I or out with Harry and never was. Something about her was always off to me.
I did not like her and I think that clouded my judgment of her. I did not trust her.
I thought Eleanor had issues with being a woman in a man's world. I thought her mistrust of Harry came from her usually having to go it alone. She didn't trust Harry because she didn't trust the males she worked with in general.
5. The IAD is sent to follow Harry. What did you think of Lewis and Clarke?
Power hungry and jealous of Harry, so willing to follow him to try and find something that he does wrong.
They were definitely power hungry and jealous. They were also very determined and set on taking him down. I think they worked well together.
I couldn't stand them. Yep, they were jealous of Harry and wanted to bring him down. Turns out they were more corrupt than the cop they were following.
Talk about a couple of num nuts!! It's one thing to do what you feel you need to do to uphold the law but completely insane to do what these guys did out of spite, malice and jealousy. They paid the ultimate price.
They would almost be hilarious if they weren't so malicious.
I couldn't get past the hilarity of the names. It's kinda silly, but they reminded me of Calvin and Hobbes (the cartoon strip).
6. We learn that there is leak inside the investigation…who was on your suspect list? Did you end up being right?
I didn't know who, but I thought it might have been Eleanor.
I didn't know at first either. No one every came to mind, but I never did like Rourke.
I had no idea who the leak was.
I suspected Rourke from the beginning, which led me to Eleanor since she was the connection to Harry. I didn't know their motivation but I never stopped suspecting them.
I thought Eleanor then Rourke then I started to feel paranoid that it was every one =:O
I thought Eleanor was accidentally leaking to Rourke who was the official leak. I thought she gave Rourke all the information when she reported to him, and he leaked it out.
7. This novel is written in 1992 – pre-9-11 and one of the last big wars was Vietnam – did you think this novel felt dated?
No. I did have to keep reminding myself that it was an old book, though.
I thought it felt dated. I'm so used to the characters (cops) using cell phones and new technology. It was strange to have them always looking for pay phones to call into the precinct.
I agree with Robin about the absence of certain technology but the story didn't feel dated.
I kept forgetting it was the 90s and was like "omg these vets are old" but then remembered and felt dumb. lol
I read it years ago, probably when it was relatively fresh, so it didn't seem dated then. If I were to reread it now, it would to some extent, but since I remember the era well, it is easy to put myself back in that time frame and "normalize" the setting.
Yes and no. The technology was missing. But otherwise, the story would still apply. If you took out all the Vietnam War references and changed them to Afghanistan or Iraq, I think the story would still fit.
8. This novel is set in Hollywood, Cali – did you get a sense of the setting?
Yes, Connelly uses a lot of familiar places that most people would know about LA, and would definitely know if you lived there.
Some. I don't know the area, but Connelly made it easy to picture.
I've never been to Los Angeles, but I've heard of several areas that he mentioned.
What struck me the most was the widely publicized history of the LAPD and its issues. That was painted pretty clearly here.
I agree with you Jonetta. It definitely felt like 90s LAPD.
Yes, lots of references to the 90s issues in LA and police coverups.
9. From what you know/read did the life of Vietnam vets seem realistic?
It did. I didn't really know that there were groups of "tunnel rats", but Connelly did a great job explaining what they did. I found it very interesting.
It did for me, too. Like Melissa, the tunnel rats were new to me.
Very realistic. Also the descriptions of Harry trying to transition from military life and his flashbacks. They were very realistic, too. That also seemed to be part of his problem relating to his fellow officers.
10. Before you read this book had you heard of “tunnel rats” and/or what they did?
Yes, but only from other fiction--books or movies--so may not have been exactly accurate.
Just from movies.
I had never heard of the term before this book.
This was a first for me, too.
First for me as well
Yes, but I come from a military background.
11. Did you like the ending of the novel? Did it seem plausible? Did it end right where it should have?
I was correct as to who was involved, but I didn't see the Eleanor angle at all. I think it ended well. I didn't like how Harry threatened to tell Binh and Tran about Eleanor if she didn't turn herself in. That seemed rather mean to me.
I thought it was a good ending and wrapped everything up.
I thought it was a great ending and was right where I thought it should be.
The ending was okay. I thought the motives were rather dumb, but I still thought it was a good wrap up. I also thought that Irving was involved in the plot somehow. Turns out he was just covering it all up.
12. What are your thoughts about Eleanor post-investigation?
Having read other books in the series, I could tell you, but won't. At the end of this book, I hoped that she and Harry are done.
I still liked her, but am glad that her relationship with Harry didn't continue. I actually felt bad for her. She had been through a lot.
I felt bad for her too, but was kind of glad she wasn't sticking around.
I wasn't a fan so I was glad to see her go.
So happy to watch her go in the sunset.
Thought her motives were dumb. If you're in a rage about what happened to your brother, why plot a super heist? Just kill them and be done with it. (Of course, I'm speaking strictly in the fictional sense.) I kinda would have rathered it had just been a money motive. She needed to leave.
13. You in for another Bosch investigation?
I think I've read most of the other---not a bad one yet. I haven't read the second one in this series, so wlll look for that one.
I have added it to my tbr list.
I'll be continuing the series.
Yep! My library has most of them.
I've read at least two. They're pretty good, especially in the procedure, but they're not my favorites.
14. Any other comments?
15. Favourite quotes, scene or secondary characters?
I liked Sharkey and was surprised when he was killed. Didn't see that coming.
I liked Sharkey too. It made me sad when he died. I didn't think they needed to go that far. He didn't see the 2 in the vehicle and he couldn't point them out.