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  Book Discussion - Deal Breaker by Harlan Coben

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  ****SPOILER ALERT**** This is a discussion about the book and will contain spoilers. Please close the topic if you have not read Deal Breaker.
  
  Please post your comments as replies to questions and feel free to add your own questions.
  
  I Would like to pass on my thanks to Kris and Jonetta who supported me in the production of the questions.

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  Andrew 

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  The book is set in the seedy world of the Sex Industry, did the background subject matter detract from your enjoyment of the book?

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    Kris 

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    Good question! I think it was a realistic portrayal and not overly graphic so I think it added to the novel's enjoyment. I hate when sex or violence is used to make the story shocking or tantalizing but have nothing really to do with the story.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Didn't bother me a bit as it was subtly portrayed. Plus, it was tame in comparison to some of the stuff I've read by other authors. As seedy as that industry is, to gloss over it would have undermined the credibility of the story.

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    Andrew 

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    I would agree I felt it was not overly graphic and subtly portrayed and added to the story being told. Although do know my wife found it off-putting ,so wonder what other people thought.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I bet your wife isn't a accustomed to the stuff we read here...hope I haven't become jaded!

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    Andrew 

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    Becoming more accustomed as we both tend to read the same books in the main, e.g. last week read The Mermaids Singing. Like me she does love Haraln Coben books but just didn't like the sex industry backdrop.

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    jguidry 

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    It didn't bother me because it served a purpose in the story. I don't like when sex and violence are added to a story simply for the sake of having sex and violence because publishers/authors think they sell books. But when it plays a role in the story and doesn't seem forced, I don't mind it.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    I don't think so. To me, it seemed part of the story

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    Christina T. 

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    I don't think it took away from my enjoyment of the book at all. I liked that it didn't spend most of the book on it but kept fairly light despite the subject matter.

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    Andrew 

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    Looks like we all agreed on this.

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  Andrew 

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  When meeting with people in the book Myron used a high degree of sarcasm, why do you think he did this? Did this sarcasm make the book more or less enjoyable for you?

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    Kris 

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    Being sarcastic myself...definitely more enjoyable! I found it amusing especially when he and Win were tag teaming people.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    It's part of Myron's personality and what makes the book and the character work. He reminds me of the old film noir detectives, even though he's technically not a detective, and I find this to be oh, so appealing.

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    Andrew 

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    I thught it did add to the enjoyment, especially occasionally using high levels of sarcasm myself, although at times did find myself saying 'shut up now Myron'. Do people feel he used it to deal with difficult situations or make difficult situations easier, or even to assert his authority like with the Dean?

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    Kris 

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    That is a great description Jonetta I can totally see him as a Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    @Kris I was hoping it wasn't my imagination and you saw it, too!

    @Andrew Myron is a big man...really tall. I imagine he grew up not having to back down from a fight or even being challenged very much. It might have made him cynical about the overcompensating types he's now dealing with and it's a natural part of his personality. Of course, I just made all of that up but it was how he formed in my brain.

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    jguidry 

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    I enjoyed the sarcasm very much. I thought it was very entertaining. He also knew when sarcasm would not help the situation any and would refrain from it. That showed his intelligence to me.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Good point.

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    Andrew 

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    Agree Jonetta.

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    Robin M 

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    Myron's wit and sarcasm made the book more interesting for me. I loved the humor in it.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    The sarcasm made the story humorous as opposed to entirely serious. I think that was good for his character. Without it, Myron wouldn't be Myron.

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    Christina T. 

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    I loved the sarcasm. Totally my type of humor. Without it I don't think Myron, as a character, would be as interesting and would be just average.

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    jguidry 

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    I agree. He would have been a very mediocre character without the sarcasm. I found myself listening (audiobook) just to hear what he would say next.

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    Leslie H 

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    I think one of the joys of the character is the sarcasm.

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  Andrew 

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  Running alongside the main storyline is the Chaz Landreaux storyline, why do you think this was included in the book? Did it add to the book for you? Do you think this storyline told us anything about the type of person Myron is?

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    Kris 

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    I personally like when there are multiple storylines and it added to the novel. I think it shows Myron as an honourable and really most of his actions in the book were "heroic". By heroic I mean doing things that maybe a normal person would shy away from (and maybe rightly so).

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    It was important to me that I first see Myron as a sports agent, since that's what he does for a living. Seeing how he dealt with a different business challenge was not only interesting but a really good contrast in clients. And, yes, you got to see how Myron does business, giving you insight into the characters. I also love multiple storylines in a book, no matter if they intersect or not.

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    Andrew 

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    I would agree about the storyline adding to the book. I feel it did tell us a lot about Myron as there were plenty of times when he could have made his life a lot safer by backing off from the contract, but even at personal risk to himself he persevered.

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    jguidry 

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    I think the multiple story lines showed more reality to the story. I mean, how many sports agents are going to have only one client? It also was meant to show Myron's character. As hard and cynical as he appears, he has a "heart of gold" deep inside. He was willing to put himself on the line for his client simply to protect a kid and his family.

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    Robin M 

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    @jguidry - I agree. What kind of sports agent only has one client? This storyline showed us what kid of person Myron is and that he is willing to protect his clients. I'm guessing we'll see more of Chaz and the mob characters in future books.

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    Kris 

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    Good point, Robin about him having many clients therefore there would be more than storyline going on.

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    Andrew 

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    Will be interesting to see if Chaz appears again as it did feel like a story not finished.

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    Kris 

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    Agreed

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    Christina T. 

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    Hard to top the answers already given. I agree that a good mystery series should have each book have a main mystery and minor 'sub' mysteries to add depth. It helps as others have mentioned to build character and set up scenarios in future books. As mentioned Chaz had a minor roll in this one but I wouldn't be surprised if further down the line he has more of a roll within the books.

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  Andrew 

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  At one point in the book Jake asks Myron whether Win is ‘...as Crazy as P.T. says’. What do you make of the character of Win and is he likeable? Is he crazy? What do you think makes him tick?

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    Kris 

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    I was loving Win until some of the more violent scenes...then I was bit backing away. Lol. Being wealthy and people assuming he is a pretty boy weakling I wonder if it has made him bend over the other way. He seems to be a bit extreme...reminded me a bit of Mel Gibson's character in The Payback.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Win is an enigma to me. Though I've read the next book in the series, I remember feeling there was a lot more to him than that on the surface and he's going to challenge my perceptions. Jury is still out on him but he is very likable and I don't think he's crazy. Win seems very focused and clear about his definition of "moral center." it just might not square up consistently with mine:)

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    Andrew 

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    Win seems to be initially quite a likeable character - but there is also something very worrying about him! Be afraid be very afraid!!!! I need to know more about him before I can truly decide if he is likeable or not. As to being crazy seems to be very controlled in what he does. he would certainly have different values to a lot of us.

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    jguidry 

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    Like Kris, I liked Win until he began blowing people away. That kind of turned me off from his character. It was one thing when I thought he was just a rich kid proving he was more than a pretty face. When he began killing people because he enjoyed it, I began to believe he was crazy. The way Coben described the scene, it made it appear that Win did enjoy the violence.

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    jguidry 

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    @Andrew There are many crazy people who hide it by appearing sane. That's how most serial killers get away for so long.

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    Andrew 

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    Fair point Jaret!

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    jguidry 

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    I think that's probably why he creeped me out so much. He did appear normal most of the time. Then, wham, two thugs with their faces blown off. Then, it was like nothing happened in his eyes. Myron and Esperanza were practically hyper-ventilating, but he was cool as a cucumber.

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    Andrew 

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    Beware the silent assassin!

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    Robin M 

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    Definitely an interesting character. Not sure what to think of him. Has me wondering what his job was with the FBI. Did they ever say what exactly he and Myron did for the FBI?

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    jguidry 

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    Not so far, Robin. We're wondering if maybe it comes out later in the series. Guess we gotta keep reading to find out.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    It wasn't addressed in the second book, either.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    Win is a good character. I don't think he's crazy, just the personality he has. Probably would drive me nuts if I knew him.

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    Kris 

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    I love how it was like...oh and he was in the FBI too...like meh aliens lander and took over the world. Lol..unless it is future storyline and then I will take back "meh".

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    Ursula 

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    I was really liking Win, until he started killing people talking about playing it cool.

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    Andrew 

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    The worrying aspect Ursula is that he seemed to enjoy killing people - almost upset when Myron said not to kill!

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    Kris 

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    I know...makes me think there is something else going on with him.

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    Kris 

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    from Coben's official site (FAQ)

    Are any of the characters based on real people in your life?
    Not really, no. Win is loosely based on my college roommate, though in real life, he is less, er, psychotic than his fictional counterpart.

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    Andrew 

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    Most definitely something else going on - wonder if we ever find out.

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    Andrew 

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    Must have been fun college days, not! Most worrying that the most extreme character is the only one based on someone real!

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    Kris 

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    Hahahaha, I know right!

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    Ursula 

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    @Andrew - Yes, It does seem like enjoys killing people and I agree with Kris, I think there is something more going on with Win. Hopefully I'll find out in the next book.

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    Christina T. 

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    I enjoyed Win. I am glad that he turned out to be not what I expected. With his banter between Myron I was a bit worried that he was just like Myron. I was not exactly shocked by his sociopathic tendencies but was surprised. Coben created a character that is very rare with Win. Dexter Morgan comes to mind but no others. There are similarities between Win and Dex. So they have different stations in life, different looks and different jobs however, I could totally see Win as a serial killer and as long as Myron's his conscience he will only kill those who 'deserve' it.

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    Andrew 

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    Good comment re. Dexter Morgan Christina. Let's hope Harlan Coben doesn't turn him into a serial killer!

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    Kris 

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    OT: There was a recent case in Edmonton (as seen on the show 48 Hours Mysteries) about an aspiring director/screewriter who admired Dexter so much he actually committed a murder and a few attempted. He was caught because he wrote about his experiences on his laptop.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7398410n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

    Not everyone will be able to see the episode but there is a story attached.

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  Andrew 

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  At times when Win is involved in the storyline a brief but high level of violence was involved, were you able to read these sections or did you quickly pass over them? Do you think this violence was merited in the storyline?

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    Kris 

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    I personally was not feeling it...but I suppose it adds to the novel's grittiness and reveals Win's character.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I listened to everything (hard to bypass with an audiobook) but wasn't turned off. It explained a lot about Myron's world and Win's character, which means it was important to the story.

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    Andrew 

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    Read but I tried not to think too much about it! Did leave me cringing a lot, especially linked to what they did to Junior - even though he was far from a likeable character. Intersting the differences of the lightness and humour of the story on oneside and the grittiness of the violence on the other. Also found the violence meeted out to Myron quite difficult to read, more cringing!

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    jguidry 

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    I think the importance came from how Myron handled Win in these violent situations. He tried to hold Win back at times, but there were times where Myron "unleashed the beast" to serve his own purposes.

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    Andrew 

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    Like the night visitation to Roy O'Connor!

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    jguidry 

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    Yup. He didn't have a problem using Win's violent streak when it served his purpose. Even though he was trying to save a young kid. Still...

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    The violence wasn't as hard as some other books I've read like Ed McBain. I read the whole book without skipping the violence. I think because Harlan Coben gave Win that type of character, it would be hard not to put it in.

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    Andrew 

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    Too true bookaholic.

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    Christina T. 

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    Is it bad to say I loved every part of the violence as much as I loved the sarcasm? I find that the more extreme a book is when it comes to violence, love, chocolate (whatever) I connect with it more. Don't give me a cup of hot water and a mini-hersheys and call it hot coco! I want a book that makes me say OMG. When the faces of those men were shot right off I did say OMG and then I giggled. I might be a bit twisted though.

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    Andrew 

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    Well we all keep being drawn to books about Serial Killers so I think you've got good company there Christina!

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    jguidry 

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    Good point, Andrew. We do tend to rate the gory books pretty high, don't we?

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  How do you think Win and Myron were able to get away with the violence involved?

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    Kris 

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    It's not like the bad guys are going to tattle to the law and it seems that Win can handle any retribution.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    They met violence with violence, dealing with people who operate outside of the law. Myron seems to accept that it's the world he has to deal with and Win plays at a different level. I'm not sure Myron has fully come to terms with Win's scope of violence but is living with it.

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    Andrew 

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    It seems to me the authorities also turned a blind eye to some of it - e.g when the two were offed by Win when holding Myron and Esperanza. You also make a good point Kris about not going to tattle to the law. I certainly don't think Myron has come to terms with Win's scope of violence Jonetta.

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    jguidry 

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    It appeared to me that there was a hint of "connection" for Myron and Win. There were references to what they had done for the government. P.T. seemed to protect them. It appeared to me that he was covering up after their messes.

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    Andrew 

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    Yet another good point Jaret - I wonder if we ever find out about what they did for the government previously.

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    jguidry 

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    I'd be interested to know. That could be what messed Win up so bad. An already semi-violent man gets trained by the government to become a killing machine. I could see it easily in him.

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    Maybe because there were no police in the story, that I can remember. And the 'blackmail' that went on; if someone said something to the authorities, then they would bring up a whole can of worms about their own crimes.

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    Christina T. 

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    In regards to the two faceless thugs in the alleyway, I remember it was mentioned at one point but it seemed to me that the section of town was pretty bad and the authorities didn't seem to care much. Its as if bad things were expected in that area and no one expected justice. Although in this day and age most people would be outraged by this attitude I'm pretty sure things like this go on anyway in many cities.

    As far as the other violence that Win and Myron I think people here are spot on with the fact that the bad people are not going to go report violence against them as they didn't want to be investigated themselves.

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    Andrew 

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    Doesn't say a lot for some of our cities does it!

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  Andrew 

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  What do you make of the relationship between Jessica and Myron? Why do you think Esperanza dislikes her so much?

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    Kris 

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    Jessica is everything Esperanza is not. When Jessica is around Myron gets into some trouble that Esperanza blames Jessica.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I'm not certain Jessica is as invested in the relationship as Myron is and Esperanza knows that. She seems to sense Jessica is going to hurt him and she is reacting to that fear. Women know:)

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    Kris 

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    That is so true!

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    jguidry 

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    Jessica broke Myron's heart and Esperanza had to pick up the pieces. She doesn't trust Jessica after that episode. Especially since she knows Myron is going to follow along happily like a little puppy dog. She seemed very protective of Myron.

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    Would agree women do seem to know! I think because Myron is hurt whenever Jessica is around by the look of it and Esperanza cares a lot for Myron this is why she dislikes Jessica. She (Esperanza) thinks Myron is a sap (technical term!!!) around Jessica. Not sure I know what to make of Jessica - happy to have things on her terms but she does lead Myron on at least two times in the book, if not three times, she seems to give Myron the 'come on'.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I'm not going to be broken up about it if later in the series these two go their separate ways. Coben is doing a good job of making this relationship appear precarious.

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    Robin M 

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    I'm not a real fan of Jessica. I was wondering if she continues in the series and if she'll grow on me. I think you guys are correct that Esperanza knows that Jessica has hurt Myron in the past and is afraid she will do it again.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    It was okay. Certainly not the highlight of the book.

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    Christina T. 

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    I also wasn't a fan of Jessica. It seemed to me that she used Myron to help her but didn't intend to give anything back. Myron is stupid in love with her and despite the years they've been apart he still wasn't over her. I think Esperanza was trying to be a true friend to him by giving him the occasional whack on the back of the head. I'm really not sure Jessica really added much to the storyline other than to almost get killed (which would have made an even better story if she had been....right???)

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    Andrew 

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    ]Poor Jessica - think she's suffered character assassination from all of us!

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    Kris 

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    I must admit you are right Christina.

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  Andrew 

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  There were a lot of characters in the book, were you able to keep all parts of the story and the characters in your mind?

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    Kris 

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    Yes, as Coben did a good job in making them all very realistic.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Occasionally, I got lost with a character but I used the book details page here on Shelfari to keep track. I think if I had read the book versus using an audiobook, I wouldn't have had the same issue, brought on by my stops and starts.

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    jguidry 

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    I didn't seem to have any problems.

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    Andrew 

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    In the main I was able to keep track, but as this was the second time I had read this book in the last three months may have made it easier! Enjoyed the book even more the second time around.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    I managed to keep the characters straight. It didn't seem too many characters for me.

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    Christina T. 

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    I read the book but could see where I would get confused if I had listened to it. I was able to keep them all straight with no problem and didn't even really notice there were almost too many characters.

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  Andrew 

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  Who was your favourite character in the book, or who did you find most intriguing? Why?

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    Kris 

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    I wonder what Win's deal is...I would love to see his back story told from his view.

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    Andrew 

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    It will be interesting as more of the series is read how much we find out about Win's back story and if it tells us about why he is the way he is. I agree with you Kris would be very interested to see the back story from his view.
    I was also very intrigued by Jessica and would be interested to find out more of her back story an more detail about why they split up in the first case, and also whether they have any future together from this point.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I really liked Myron, his sense of humor and his sarcasm. Win, though, is the most intriguing.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    @ Andrew I was in the middle of my post when yours posted. I just got a funny vibe about Jessica and this relationship, probably because of the missing backstory. Those close to Myron seem to have a "chill" about her.

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    jguidry 

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    Myron was my favorite character. I liked his intelligence and wit. Win was an intriguing character, but honestly, he kinda scared me.

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    dustydigger 

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    I was just smilingly enjoying the early scene of negotiations over contracts,and then it was quite a shock when Myron beat up his would be attackers!.There had been no suspicion of his violent capabilities,at all,the book could have been going to be a light comedy.I had to rearrange all my ideas about Myron there and then.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    Actually, I liked Myron Bolitar. He didn't take no for an answer; he persevered in whatever quest he was on at the time.

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    Ursula 

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    I liked Myron, He doesn't back down to anything.

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    Andrew 

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    Or anyone!

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    Christina T. 

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    Myron of course. Second to Myron would be that I am intrigued by Win. Can't wait to see where Coben takes that character. My least would be Jessica. I really don't think she added much to the story.

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  Andrew 

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    Kris 

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    To some people life is cheap...proved by stats of murder. I didn't think it was unrealistic and it seemed to fit.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I thought it was metaphorical. He was looking for a way to let Myron off the hook. I could be wrong:)

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    Kris 

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    hahahaha...you sound right!

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    jguidry 

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    It seemed like he was looking for any excuse to clean up after his brother. I think Myron and Win could have offered him a bag of Oreos and he would have canceled the contract. He was trying to stop "bad business" while saving his brother's street credibility.

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    Andrew 

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    Think I would agree Jonetta! Also showed how much he wanted to be part of the status quo. Would also agree Jonetta life was quite cheap throughout the book.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    It seemed weird to me. Kinda didn't seem to fit.

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    Andrew 

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    I wonder if Harlan Coben is a passionate golfer, as golf forms the backdrop to book 4 in the series Back Spin.

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    jguidry 

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    Either that or someone close to him. They tell writers to "write what you know or like".

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    Andrew 

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    Having read the write ups for others in the series, tennis also seems to be mentioned in two of the books. Obviously a very sporty man, but suppose that is a given when Myron is a Sports Agent.

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    Kris 

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    I can't remember where I read a description about Myron but they said he was an entertainment agent...does he represent actors later?

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    Andrew 

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    Hope not too much of a SPOILER, but having read one of the later ones I'm sure he does represent film stars as well as athletes. - from memory anyway!

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    Christina T. 

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    @jguidry ---well duh who wouldn't for Oreos????

    
    

    Anyway, I liked that the man was so easily bought. It is a statement about the decline of really good bad people.

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    Andrew 

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    Definitely going to have to try some Oreos!

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    jguidry 

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    @Christina--especially Oreos with peanut butter and a large glass of cold milk!

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    Christina T. 

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    Gasp....love the peanut butter oreos...I thought I was the only one though. Double Stuf is so overrated.

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    jguidry 

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    Nope. I'm right there with you, Christina. I agree about Double Stuf. I prefer the peanut butter or just plain oreos dipped in peanut butter. That works, too. Hmm. I think I need to go to the grocery store tonight...

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    Kris 

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    @Andrew...you know how you were asking if Coben has a golfing interest...I am wondering what his sports background is. Both Play Dead and Miracle Cure have characters in the NBA.

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    Andrew 

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    Tennis, golf, basketball, baseball to name but a few - seems to cover quite a few sports. Would be interesting to know, but may just be interested in all sports.

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  Do you feel by the end of the book you knew Myron? Was his character well established for the rest of the series?

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    Kris 

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    I think it gave you a peek into Myron's life - the various people and such - but left you wanting to know more which is why I continue with series.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I felt like I had a good sense of this character but understood he's a man of many layers. There's more to his back story and I want to find out about it!!!

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    jguidry 

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    I don't think you were supposed to understand Myron. You were supposed to get a sneak peek into who he was and the people who influence his life. If we had fully understood Myron, what motivation would there be to continue the series.

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    Andrew 

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    I would also want to find out more about Myron - the book gave you a few key indicators about his personality.

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    Christina T. 

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    I liked that he appears honorable to a fault. I like that he approaches almost everything in life with sarcastic wit. I can't wait to see how he grows as a character.

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  How well did Harlan Coben do in blending together the humor, mystery, and the interesting characters, as well as keeping you guessing?

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    Kris 

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    I had figured who had killed Jessica's sister but it still kept me reading to how it came about and how Myron et al would figure it out. I love the blend of humour and seriousness as not many writers can pull it off.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I thought it was pitch perfect and am loathe to admit I wasn't sure about anyone by the time we reached the climax. I kept second guessing myself, eliminating characters and then putting them back into play. And, doing most of that while driving:). I read a lot of stories in this genre and most often figure out the culprit early on but he kept adding new twists. Well done.

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    Andrew 

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    I think he blended the elements very well and yes he did keep me guessing and changing my opinion about people and the outcome. I think his characterisation was very good.

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    jguidry 

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    I thought Coben was a master at blending humor and mystery. That is extremely hard to pull off. It can come across as obnoxious or can seem forced. Coben did it very well.

    The clues were there all the time for you to figure out who the killer was. However, Coben did an excellent job at making those clues fit other characters as well.

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    Robin M 

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    I thought the mystery was great. Like Jonetta, I was eliminating suspects at one point, then changing my mind later on. It took me forever to decide whether Kathy was dead or alive. The interesting characters and humor in the story just made it more interesting.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I did the same thing about Kathy, too.

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    jguidry 

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    me, too. It took me a while to realize she really was dead. I kept questioning it.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    He kept me guessing and I like books like that. I don't like knowing who did it in the beginning of the story and then reading how the rest of the characters come to that conclusion.

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    Andrew 

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    Would agree about Kathy - throughout a lot of the book was convinced she was still alive. Would agree throughout the book kept me guessing and changing my mind, even when I had read the book previously!

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    jguidry 

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    Ha ha, Andrew. Coben did a good job convincing you that Kathy was still alive.

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    Andrew 

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    He certainly had me doubting my memory!

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Same here...I had to stop and think while answering these questions and figure out if she was dead!

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    Kris 

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    Same...I knew Christian was involved just not how...

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    Christina T. 

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    When I read a mystery I put my generalized whodunnit theory to the test. Which is "the least likely character is the one who is guilty." Works 99% of the time. However, in the case of this book, I was so entertained by Myron and his journey to the answer I didn't even bother to wonder who did it. I was just that entertained by his exploits and mouth that I didn't care to speculate. Completely unlike me.

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    Andrew 

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    Will have to try your theory Christina.

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  Andrew 

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  How soon in the book were you able to start putting all the pieces together and start working out who the killer was? Were you able to pinpoint the killer early on in the book and if so did this spoil your enjoyment? Did you work out who the killer was?

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I missed the boat early on and just muddled my thinking so by the end, I was exhausted because of my multiple scenarios! Saving grace to this is I was hanging on with bated breath to the end:)

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    Andrew 

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    As usual out thought myself by the end of the book. I think I'm too easily led by authors at times (gullible?). But I agree Jonetta it was a white knuckle ride and times and did lead to you holding your breath.

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    jguidry 

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    I figured it out near the end of the book (I did figure it out before the reveal, though. I think Myron's discussion with Jessica's mother was where I figured it out.). However, I was able to figure out what clues would have led me to figure it out sooner if I had been paying careful attention.

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    Robin M 

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    I didn't figure it out at all. Had me guessing until the end.

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    Christina T. 

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    I didn't even try to put clues together which isn't like me at all. I just was so entertained by the characters that I didn't bother. So, when all was revealed I was surprised. That doesn't happen to me often when reading mysteries.

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  Andrew 

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    Kris 

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    Most: sarcastic banter
    Least: It was a bit slow going in the beginning

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I agree with Kris about the banter. It was great dialogue.

    I had issues with the narrator that seemed to go away with the second book. He put me to sleep on both legs of my trip and I NEVER get sleepy while driving. Maybe it was the combination of the narrator, slow start and complicated character list.

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    Kris 

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    Aw....yeah the reader sometimes makes or breaks a novel.

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    Andrew 

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    Reader is crucial and can make or break a book, or as in your case Jonetta can put you to sleep.
    Positive : Dialogue as previously stated and development of characters that you bought into and cared out, and then were surprised by. How well it read on a second reading, if anything even more engrossed!

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    jguidry 

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    Most: Yup. Gonna agree with Kris on this one. The sarcasm was a hit with me.
    Least: Win's homicidal mania. I didn't mind his violent streak as a thug, but when he began to enjoy killing he became one of the bad guys to me.

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    Positive: the humour and banter,and surprise revelations
    Negative : I thought the end was a bit rushed,and we didnt get to the bottom of the murderers thoughts and motives.Once they revealed who it was the murderer just pretty much was silent.I just wish there had been some dialogue between him and Myron.he stayed a pretty vague sort of character to me really,so I didnt feel much shock or sadness.This may have been Corben's plan,or just his inexperience as a writer,not getting character motivations and nuances across clearly enough

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    Christina T. 

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    My favorite was the humor and banter as most have said.

    My least favorite was the reunited affair of Jessica and Myron. I can honestly make due without what I consider gratuitous sex in my mysteries. You find at least one sex scene in ever book but it does nothing to carry the storyline forward.

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    Would have to agree about the sex scenes Christina.

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    Kris 

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    3 Stars for this book - as it was enjoyable but nothing outstanding.

    I love Coben's stand alone novels so I put his books on hold at the library as soon as they come out!
    So I would rate him 4 stars.

    My copy is an omnibus of the first 2 novels so I will.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) (edited)

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    I gave it 3.5 stars but rounded down as the narration created serious issues for me. I've read (listened) to the next book and had a completely different experience. I think Coben writes great dialogue and knows how to move the plot forward. He's got skills and I'm definitely continuing this series.

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    jguidry 

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    I gave the book 4 stars, but that was mostly for Coben's writing style. The plot was okay, but Coben's writing really set it off for me. I'll read the next one.

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    Andrew (edited)

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    Original reading also gave it 3.5 stars, but rounded this up to 4. Second time read the book in 24 hours and this led to me giving it a 5! If anything was slowing the reading down so I didn't finish it quicker! Thought second reading would have been less than the first time, but quite the opposite was true!
    Will definitely continue with the series.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    If I hadn't been so annoyed with falling asleep at the wheel, I know I would have rated the book at east 4 stars.

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    Robin M 

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    Well, I was in a bit of a reading slump and this book brought me out of it. 5 Stars from me. Will definitely be reading more of this series.

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    jguidry 

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    Hope your slump stays gone for a while, Robin.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    I'll definately continue with the series. I want to know how Myron grows and what else he takes on. It was a great read and I didn't want to put it down. I wanted to read the whole story at once. Didn't want to miss anything. So, 4 stars for me.

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    Ursula 

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    I gave this book 4 stars. I've read the first seven books the series gets better with each book.

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    jguidry 

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    Glad to hear it Ursula. And I won't read them too closely together like I did Women's Murder Club. ;)

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    Andrew 

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    Always think its good to give breaks in an author's work, but by the same token not to leave it too long otherwise you forget key parts.

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    Ursula 

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    @jguidry - It's best if you space them out when you read them. That's what I did.
    @Andrew - Your absolutely right!

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    jguidry 

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    I'm learning that, Ursula. I started the series after the rest of my friends and had to get through them quickly to "catch up". I think that affected my opinion, too.

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    Christina T. 

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    I ended up giving the book 4.5 stars (rounded up for Shelfari purposes). I am extremely character driven in my reading and this was a character driven book. Even the characters who were created to not be liked were great additions to the story.

    As far as Coben goes I love his writing style. Easy to read and often thrilling. Its hard to put his books down because you want to see what will happen next. Most of his books average to 4 stars to me.

    I will definitely read more in the Myron series. Loved the humor so much.

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    Kris 

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    I prefer his stand alone novels. I read PROMISE ME (Book 8 in this series) which I thought was a stand alone and it had a different feeling than this novel - as it was more serious.

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    I have to agree Kris, I read Promise Me last year and it is a much more serious read than Deal Breaker. I have read 3 or 4 in the series and there are differences between them. I have only read one standalone, The Woods, but if anything that is my favourite Harlan Coben book so far. Got a number of his other stand alones on my physical shelf and need to get to them.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I haven't read any of his standalones but will after I finish the series, which will take quite some time.

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    jguidry 

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    I haven't read any of his standalones either.

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    Kris 

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    Just some notes:

    His last 2 novels - CAUGHT and HOLD TIGHT are very well written but the subject matter can be a bit hard to take. Caught is about sexual predators and reporters who care more about getting the story in a splashy way then the people involved. Hold Tight is about how much parents do not know what their teenage children are up to no matter how much you hold on to them, and are there.

    GONE FOR GOOD is most similar to Myron Bolitar's series in that the main character reminds me Myron. This was my first and favourite books - and still is my fav.

    INNOCENT and THE WOODS are about the past coming back to haunt the present. These were my least favourite books BUT still 3 stars or more!

    TELL NO ONE and NO SECOND CHANCE are about men who have had their loved ones kidnapped. I felt like I was on a rollercoaster ride with these two!

    JUST ONE LOOK is told from a women's prospective which is different and I was hooked from the first word. My second favourite of his.

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    Robin M 

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    This was my first book by this author.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Thanks, Kris for the feedback on the standalones.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    The only other book I read most of was Tell No One with the Psychologist. It was okay, just not as fast paced as the Bolitar ones. I'd rather keep reading the Myron series.

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    Kris (edited)

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    I've read 2 of his books (Lincoln Lawyer and Blood Work) both were great.

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    Great feedback Kris. I really enjoyed The Woods but if you liked Gone for Good and Just One Look even more that's brilliant news. You've never steered me wrong yet. Even better got both on my physical shelf upstairs!

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    Kris 

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    See, meant to be! lol. Enjoy them when you get to them!!!

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    Andrew (edited)

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    Will let you know when I do - will look to plan for over Easter I think, for at least one of them anyway.

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    Christina T. 

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    I've read 7 of his stand alone books and have enjoyed them all. Some are better than others. One thing I like about them is that you will often find a character reoccurring. Not a major character usually. In one of his stand alones there is a hired killer (muscle for hire type) who makes an appearance in another of the books as a hired killer. I heard the name and had to go back to the other book just to make sure I wasn't reading the same book twice LOL.

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    Will keep an eye out for them.

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    Kris 

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    Linwood Barclay is very similar with his stand alone novels (an every day man in a bad situation and he must solve it without much police involvement). I have not read his series which is supposed to be humour mystery.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    He reminded me of Lawrence Sanders. I've got quite a few contemporaries to catch up on so I don't have other comparisons.

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    Andrew (edited)

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    Only read one of Linwood Barclay's No Time for Goodbye but really enjoyed it. Only read one book, The Lincoln Lawyer, but thought some similarity with Michael Connelly, light addictive reads with humour, and twists galore.
    Must look into Lawrence Sanders - don't know him.

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    Bookaholic2012 

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    I have read Lincoln Lawyer and I would agree that he is similar to Michael Connelly, but I can't think of who else.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I've got to try Michael Connelly as his name keeps coming up:)

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    Andrew 

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    Would thoroughly recommend The Lincoln Lawyer Jonetta. Only one of his that I've read and loved it. One of my favourite books last year. Now got at least
    3 or 4 on my physical bookshelf upstairs that I've collected since.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    I'm now on the waiting list at my library for this book. Thanks for the recommendation!

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    Andrew 

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    If you enjoyed this (reader apart) should enjoy it.

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Oh, I really enjoyed this one.

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    Andrew (edited)

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    You'll definitely enjoy The Lincoln Lawyer. Rarely that assertive. *gulps, and holds his breath*

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    Kris 

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    I will back you up, Andrew!

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    Andrew 

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    Thanks *stops holding his breath*

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    jguidry 

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    Added to my library list. I keep my list on my phone so I always have it with me at the library. I'm waiting for my phone to tell me my memory is full. That's the only thing I keep on my phone! he he Lot's of good recommendations from my shelfari friends.

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    Andrew 

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    What more could you want on your phone Jaret!

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    jguidry 

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    Me, nothing. ;) Who needs all those apps when you can have a massive list of books to read?

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    Andrew 

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    What about the books themselves. Not got a Kindle, but got Kindle App on my phone, and 32 books on my phone! Smallest library ever.

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    jguidry 

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    I do have the kindle app. They seem to be the best about giving freebies. Got a little library going. I keep it small though because of my long library list. My public library has almost all of the books on my list. Those that they don't have, I did put in a request for. They are really good about ordering the books I request.

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    Andrew 

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    I love the sound of American libraries! Very envious.

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    jguidry 

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    Not all library systems are as good as mine. I'll be the first to admit that. My library system has a HUGE amount of public support. They have the support of patrons, legislators and they have a massive connection to the education system (private, public, and at the university level). We are constantly doing programs with the library system for our kids. They come out to the schools, etc. They are also pros at writing state and federal grants for programs, books, etc. These guys have worked really hard to get the system the way it is.

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    Andrew 

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    Around here the libraries are closing not being built!

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    jguidry 

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    Yuck. That's horrible! I don't know where we'd be without our public library. IMO, they are Baton Rouge's greatest resource. If they don't have what you want, they have a pretty good idea of how to get it for you. That goes for more than just books. They check out technology and art prints, too. Almost anything you need, they try to get for you.

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    Christina T. 

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    Honestly I can't think of anyone I would say is similar. Perhaps certain James Patterson (despite my recent bad experience with him) or Michael Connelly (even though I haven't read many of his).

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  Andrew 

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  Any other Comments?

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    Kris 

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    Great job, Andrew!!!!

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    Jonetta (Ejaygirl) 

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    Awesome job!!!! Thanks for pitching in...I couldn't have done the book justice.

    I liked this book and Myron, which had me move forward with the next book. It was paced differently and not quite as complex but a very satisfying read.

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    jguidry 

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    Great job hosting, Andrew.

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    Andrew 

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    Thank you for your kind comments - but support from both of you was a great help. :)
    Interested in your comments on the second book Jonetta - must get hold of that and give it a read.

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    Andrew 

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    Jaret think we must have been posting at almost the same time through most of the questions! Thanks also for your comments. :)

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    jguidry 

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    I noticed that, too, Andrew. Happens a lot to me on Shelfari. I'm getting kinda used to it. :)

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    Andrew 

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    Wasn't sure exactly what Yoo-Hoo was and saw this link on Harlan Coben's website:

    http://www.yoo-hoo.com/

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    jguidry 

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    Ha ha. I'm a massive yoo-hoo fan. I didn't even think that you might not know what it is. I loved that Myron preferred yoo-hoo to liquor. It shows character.

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    Andrew 

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    Would definitely agree Jaret, it does show character and he'll be his own person.

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    Christina T. 

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    Thank you Andrew for your hard work on this! I loved answering the questions you posed.

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    Andrew 

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    Thanks Christina, would have to say i enjoyed it. Hope you are getting over your illness and feeling better. :)

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    Christina T. 

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    Feel much better Andrew. Thank you!

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    Andrew 

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    Good to hear Christina.

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