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This is a group dedicated to pursuing annual fantasy reading challenges. The first challenge was started in January 2010; the second challenge was posted on December 1, 2010; the third challenge was posted on December 1, 2011.

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  • PhoenixFalls

    Fantasy Challenge #2 Questions? Post them here.

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    Have any questions about any of the categories in Fantasy Challenge #2? Post them here and get the whole group's input! If you just want to suggest a title that can be used for the challenge, however, please post it in the Suggestions thread.
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  • Jo

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    Well one Phoenix.... you have outdone yourself....
    I am definitely in again for this challenge, although I'm freaking out as I only have 4 weeks left to finish my light challenge... but I'm going to start picking titles now.

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      Thanks! I had fun. . . looking forward to seeing what books you choose, because even though I designed the challenge myself there are a couple categories I have no idea what I'm going to read in! :)

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  • AllanaS

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    I'm loving the new challenge! Some actually challenging categories, not that the other one wasn't challenging, but they're also very interesting categories. I'm definitely going to be looking for suggestions, and will have to read through the explanation on the different challenge levels again.

    I'm trying to get a feel for the Interstitial category. Would (already read these but just examples) The Lovely Bones and The Time Traveller's Wife be good examples of it, or am I slightly off?

    (P.S. Freaking out here too! I gotta get through 5 books by the 31st! Starting one tonight.)

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    • PhoenixFalls
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      Hmmmm. . . my gut reaction is that they aren't *quite* literary enough, but I haven't read either of them and that gut reaction is probably based on the fact that they are both bestsellers and literary novels are never bestsellers. ;)

      Google finds several references to both those titles in places where people are also mentioning interstitial fiction, though nothing where anyone actually says "yes, that's interstitial writing!" so I say they get provisional thumbs ups. :D

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      Ok I am wondering what you mean by Interstitial. Because the basic definition just means it falls 'between,' that it can't be defined as strictly one specific genre as it has elements of several in it. It doesn't have to be literary (heck wikipedia uses Laurell K Hamilton as an example, the farthest thing from literary).

      At the same time the definition you use in the explanation section sounds actually more like Magic Realism with "Will often utilize fantastic elements within a very realistic framework." In which case you would use more literary types of works, of which would have more fantastical elements set within reality as if they were a part of reality (and NOT the reality of a made up world). Works for this would include Marquez's '100 Years of Solitude,' Updike's 'The Centaur,' Toni Morrison's 'Paradise' (I've not read Beloved yet), Naylor's 'Mama Day,' etc.

      I am trying to decide if I am going to attempt this second challenge or just stick with the first. You have truly done a great job but there isn't much on the second challenge that I wouldn't already be doing on the first to begin with. But I am thinking of possibly doing both as a light challenge just to do it :)

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      Magic realism is one subset of interstitial fiction. . . for the purposes of this challenge I was particularly meaning between the boundaries of genre fiction and literary fiction -- so Laurell K. Hamilton is between the boundaries of two (or three) different genres, but not between genre and literary fiction and therefore wouldn't qualify.

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    • AllanaS
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      I'm looking through the Challenge now, and I'm thinking 'In the Cities of Coin and Spice' might not fit any of the categories? Seeing that you've read it, maybe you know something I don't.

      I know the 2 books as a series won the Mythopoeic Award, but this year we're doing runner-ups. I don't think it was a runner up or an award winner for any of the others. Meta-fantasy? I suppose after I read it I can hope it has one of my favorite mythological creatures in it...

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      Lessee. . . it definitely qualifies as meta-fantasy, with the stories-within-stories-within-stories technique; and if you tell me what your favorite mythological creature is I can tell you if it's in there. It probably is. ;) Other than that. . . alas, In the Night Garden was nominated for the World Fantasy Award, but I guess they were over it the next year and didn't nominate In the Cities of Coin and Spice. You could also argue that it qualifies for the dealing with middle-class characters section, because I think a good percentage of the characters are middle-class.

      It's SOOOOO good! :D

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  • AllanaS
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    Regarding "9. Read a paranormal/supernatural noir novel NOT dealing with vampires, werewolves, or zombies" - Can anyone who had read the first Dresden Files novel, Storm Front tell me if it fits the bill?
    I figure as the series goes on, this may not have stayed the case, but if the first novel doesn't have any of these...

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    • Cora R
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      If I remember correctly the first Dresden Files does have vampires in it, but they are a relatively small part in the book. In later books the roles of both vampires and warewolves grow considerably. If you are looking for something with no mention of vampires at all, you may have to keep looking.

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      I was thinking of using Ill Wind by Rachel Caine. I haven't read it yet, but the descriptions and character lists don't mention any vampires, werewolves, or zombies.

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    • JoLene R
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      I just finished up The Domino Men by Jonathan Barnes --- I think that it might qualify. No vampires, werewoves or zombies -- but it does have a sea monster :-D I have a quick review on my shelf if you'd like to see it.

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    • AllanaS
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      I've been meaning to read that also, thanks. :)

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      Thanks, Jo. I'll give it a look.

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    What is "Meta-Fantasy"?

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    • PhoenixFalls
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      All the definitions of the terms are in this thread: http://www.shelfari.com/groups/47075/discussions/297690/Fantasy-Challenge-2----READ-ENTIRE-THREAD-BEFORE-BEGINNING-YOUR-

      Meta-Fantasy: A type of fiction that self-consciously addresses the devices of fiction, exposing the fictional illusion. Examples include Samuel R. Delany's Neveryon series, William Goldman's The Princess Bride, and Susanna Clarke's Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell.

      So, in Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell, the metafictional device is the footnotes; the text of the novel is extensively footnoted, drawing attention to the fact that it is a book describing events, rather than letting the reader sink into the world and ignore the fact of the book's existence. In Tales of Neveryon, there is a preface where a (fictional) professor analyzes the tales that follow in the book, and there is also an appendix from another (fictional) professor analyzing the tales and addressing the points made in the preface. Like in Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell, this device makes the reader aware of the book as an object rather than focusing on the story inside. Or, for another example; in The Princess Bride (both the book and the movie) there is a framing story, where the grandfather reads the story of The Princess Bride to his son; this frame is a metafictional device, again calling attention to the book as an object.

      Does that make sense?

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    • AllanaS
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      I also went and looked up Metafiction on Wikipedia, and then just remembered whatever I picked also had to be fantasy.

      * A novel about a writer creating a story (e.g. Misery, Secret Window, Secret Garden, At Swim-Two-Birds, Atonement, The Counterfeiters, The World According to Garp, Barton Fink, Adaptation., Alone on a Wide Wide Sea and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man).
      * A novel about a reader reading a novel (e.g. The Neverending Story, If On A Winter's Night A Traveler, The Historian, The Princess Bride)
      * A novel which features itself as its own prop or McGuffin (e.g. The Adventures of the Imagination of Periphery Stowe, The Dark Tower, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The Jamais Vu Papers)
      * A novel or other work of fiction within the novel (e.g. The Laughing Man, The Dark Tower, The Crying of Lot 49, Sophie's World, A Clockwork Orange, Pale Fire, The Princess Bride, The Island of the Day Before, Steppenwolf, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, The Man in the High Castle).
      * A story addressing the specific conventions of story, such as title, character conventions, paragraphing or plots. (e.g. Lost in the Funhouse and On with the Story by John Barth, The Last Unicorn by Peter S. Beagle or Into the Woods.)
      * A novel where the narrator intentionally exposes him or herself as the author of the story (e.g. The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao, Mister B. Gone, The Unbearable Lightness of Being, BFG, The Museum of Innocence).
      * A novel in which the book itself seeks interaction with the reader (e.g., Willie Masters' Lonely Wife by William H. Gass or House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski).
      * Narrative footnotes, which continue the story while commenting on it (e.g. Pale Fire, House of Leaves, Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace, Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke, From Hell by Alan Moore, Cable & Deadpool by Fabian Nicieza, An Abundance of Katherines by John Green, An Early History of Ambergris by Jeff VanderMeer, many books by Robert Rankin and the Discworld novels by Terry Pratchett).
      * A novel in which the characters are aware that they are in a novel (Henry Potty series and various works by Robert Rankin)
      -from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metafiction)

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      Ok NOW that makes more sense. Thank you Allana. I know I should have just got to wikipedia, but I've been lazy and the last few times I tried to go to explain something it's left me even more clueless LOL. Shoulda just stayed loyal.

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    • Norman H
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      Another example of meta-fantasy: the novel within a novel.

      "The Iron Dream," by Norman Spinrad, postulates an alternate history in which Adolf Hitler never went into politics, but came to America and became an illustrator for fantasy and science fiction magazines. He wrote only one novel. This description covers the "introduction." The rest of the book is "Lords of the Swastika," Hitler's novel.

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  • AllanaS

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    I've run into a problem - none of the nominations for Nebula/Hugo in my birth year (1986) were fantasy. In order to attempt the extra credit, should I choose one of the a sci-fi novels anyway, or choose one from a nearby year?

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    • PhoenixFalls
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      Hmmm. . . go with another significant year, like your 16th birthday, or 21st birthday, or year you graduated high school. . .

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    • AllanaS
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      Ah, found one. Thanks. :-D

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    • Norman H
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      Hugo or Nebula nominee in birth year for extra credit.

      You think you have problems? My birth year is 1951. The Hugos weren't even presented until 1953, and the Nebulas until 1965!

      But do you really need the extra credits? I can probably find at least one book I want to read in every category; it just takes me longer to select books in some categories than to read them!

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    • AllanaS
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      Well, definitely go for something in a significant year 16, 18, 21... year you married if you did, etc etc...

      I don't really NEED extra credit per se, but I've got quite a few novels I already own, but don't fit the categories this year, that I'd like to read. I'd like to at least be able to count one or two. Either way, I'll have to buy quite a few novels to fill categories.
      I don't read nearly as much as you or Phoenix, so originally I'd hoped the challenges would help me get through my back-log, not create more. But at least it's got me reading.

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  • Christal
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    ok so question, I think I may have actually read something that qualifies for a 'secret history' but it's not a novel. It's a graphic novel (or a vol in a graphic novel series that has plenty enough pages to count for now). Being that the challenge calls for 'story' in some cases and 'novel' in others does this count or not?

    I've chanced upon a new graphic novel series called Unwritten, and in volume one you find a secret organization that is behind the rise and fall of some of the great classic writers. This one dealt with Kipling and the organization supporting him and taking out Oscar Wilde because Kipling felt threatened by his popularity in London (all without anyone but Kipling ever knowing about it). And then when Kipling realizes he will never escape and that his eldest child's death is their warning to him, that's what sets him off to writing The Jungle Book and other children's tales to show he can take them on (which of course he cannot).

    Thoughts Phoenix?

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    • PhoenixFalls
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      Plenty of people have used graphic novels in non-graphic novel categories, so I say go ahead! :)

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    • Christal
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      Woot!

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  • Chevy Kaylor

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    Is it mandatory to do Challenge #1 before doing Challenge #2? Because I find the challenges in #2 to be more interesting to me (awesome job selecting topics and genres--love the miscellaneous challenges, too!!!) and since we're talking a WHOLE YEAR of reading … well, I'd like to be totally on-board with my selection! Thanks!

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      Nope, not mandatory at all! They're only numbered that way because that's the order in which I wrote them. ;)

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  • Christal

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    Phoenix, you might be the only one here that can answer as I don't recall seeing anyone else reading Naamah's Blessing. Could it qualify for the 'southern hemisphere' category? I know it toes the line since it's Aztec/Mexican, but I think she mixed it with Incan/South American. Especially with how long and far they traversed in Terra Nova, what is your take on using it for the category? I know I could use it for Romance Fantasy as well.

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    • PhoenixFalls
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      Total brain fart -- yeah, it should qualify. It didn't even occur to me though. . . ;)

      I think I did specify (at least, I meant to specify) that by "Southern Hemisphere" I actually meant all of Central/South America, Africa, and Australia, because obeying the equator strictly seemed silly, and the goal of the category was to get people reading about worlds not usually explored in fantasy.

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      ok good! I thought that was more of what you meant but being that technically now people consider Mexico part of North America (even though its more of the middle in between LOL) I wanted to make sure. But I get what you are saying, those more southern cultures that don't get written about as much as the 'popular european' ones are.

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  • Norman H
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    Really late in the game to be asking this question. I was just brainstorming on how I might complete the "extended super challenge" and ran into a bit of a snag:

    When you say, "expand one category in each Part to a series of novels," how can I apply that to the "Awards" part? Would each of the books in the series have to qualify for the award, or only one?

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    • PhoenixFalls

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      Well, ideally you'd choose to expand the Mythopoeic Award, which recognizes series instead of individual books; but if you really don't want to do that, then the first book in the series has to be the one that qualifies for the category.

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    • Norman H
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      Well, duh. Alternating dismay and elation, and again dismay, and again elation...

      Dismay, because I realized most of the books I had already read for the awards challenge this year were NOT the first book in the series. So I wouldn't be able to use them.

      Then elation, because "In the Night Garden" WAS the first book in the "Orphan's tales" series, and that series won the Mythopoeic award.

      Then dismay again, because the category for Mythopoeic was "runner up", and the %^&()_ series WON!

      And finally elation again, because I used "In the Night Garden" for my World Fantasy category, so I could read the 2nd book and that would qualify for the series. under your rules.



      And at last dismay for the other parts of the challenge: Are you implying that for the Extended Super Challenge, the entire series has to be read? And all the novels in the series have to be new to the reader? That would disqualify most long-standing series for me, and would put extended series out of the reach of almost every reader:

      For example, I was planning to finish the "Tales from the Malazan Book of the Fallen" by reading "The Crippled God," which would give me three books in that series read this year. But if all the books had to be new, and read this year, that series would be out for me.

      And the "Temeraire" series might be possible, with only 6 books to date, but I can use Robin Hobb's "Rain Wilds Chronicles," which currently has only 2 published books, giving me an advantage over someone choosing a longer series.

      This may all be a moot point: how many people are even considering the "Extended Super Challenge?"

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      LOL, there are one or two doing the Expanded Super. . .

      But c'mon, there are SO MANY fantasy series out there, there must be some you haven't read! For instance, in the Mythopoeic Award category, you could look at the Mythopoeic Award for Children's Literature for ideas too. . . :D

      You shouldn't worry about having an advantage over anyone choosing a longer series. . . that's their choice, and that's the reason I couldn't put a specific number on how many titles you'd read in the Expanded Super Challenge. Adding the series component just made things WAY too variable.

      Oh, and, yeah, all the books in the series have to be new-to-you this year. They don't all have to have qualified for other categories in the challenge (in fact, keep in mind that only six titles can qualify twice, and that includes for series books!) but they do have to be read this year. It's supposed to be a challenge after all! ;)

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