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  • A.K. Klemm

    Don Quixote - Cervantes

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    I loved the first part, although I found it excessively long for no purpose. I enjoyed the characters, but soon got bored with their antics so many hundred pages in. I realized after reading this book why in high school and in college both, we were only required to read excerpts (mostly Part One and a few pieces of Part Two). Because the book as a whole is redundant and after awhile the funny wears off and just becomes mundane and a little obnoxious. I still liked the book, for once however, I think I would have preferred an edited version. (And I hate things being abridged!)

    My favorite part did not change from what it was the first two times I read Part One, which was the classic scene in which Don Quixote sees menacing giants where there are windmills. That is near the beginning of their adventures and, to me, Sancho and DQ just never quite topped that moment.

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    About the Author

    Found on http://www.online-literature.com/cervantes/

    Miguel de Cervantes (1547-1616), Spanish dramatist, poet, and author wrote Don Quixote de la Mancha (Part I, 1605; Part II, 1615);

    In a village of La Mancha, the name of which I have no desire to call to mind, there lived not long since one of those gentlemen that keep a lance in the lance-rack, an old buckler, a lean hack, and a greyhound for coursing. An olla of rather more beef than mutton, a salad on most nights, scraps on Saturdays, lentils on Fridays, and a pigeon or so extra on Sundays, made away with three-quarters of his income. The rest of it went in a doublet of fine cloth and velvet breeches and shoes to match for holidays, while on week-days he made a brave figure in his best homespun. He had in his house a housekeeper past forty, a niece under twenty, and a lad for the field and market-place, who used to saddle the hack as well as handle the bill-hook. The age of this gentleman of ours was bordering on fifty; he was of a hardy habit, spare, gaunt-featured, a very early riser and a great sportsman. They will have it his surname was Quixada or Quesada (for here there is some difference of opinion among the authors who write on the subject), although from reasonable conjectures it seems plain that he was called Quexana. This, however, is of but little importance to our tale; it will be enough not to stray a hair's breadth from the truth in the telling of it.-Ch.1
    Published when Cervantes was fifty-eight years old, his oft-quoted burlesque of 16th century Spanish society explores the universal themes of human nature "Every man is as Heaven made him, and sometimes a great deal worse." (ibid). Don Quixote exerted a profound influence on European literature--it was published to great success and widely lauded for its satire of existing tales of chivalry and 'mischief';

    The first that Master Nicholas put into his hand was "The four books of Amadis of Gaul." "This seems a mysterious thing," said the curate, "for, as I have heard say, this was the first book of chivalry printed in Spain, and from this all the others derive their birth and origin; so it seems to me that we ought inexorably to condemn it to the flames as the founder of so vile a sect."--ibid, Ch. 6
    Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra was born in 1547 in the city of Alcalá de Henares, near Madrid, Spain, the fourth of seven children born to noble Castilian surgeon Don Rodrigo de Cervantes and doña Leonor de Cortinas (d.1593). "There were but two families in the world, Have-much and Have-little." (ibid) Rodrigo was imprisoned because of debts in 1551, and it brought much hardship to the rest of the family. After studying philosophy and literature in Italy, Miguel enlisted as a soldier in Naples in 1570. Aboard the ship Marquesa he lost the use of his left hand 'by a musket-shot in the battle of Lepanto' [1571] (ibid). A few years later the galley that Cervantes was sailing home on was captured by Barbary pirates. He was enslaved in Algiers along with many other Christians. While he did attempt to escape, it was not until 1580 that his family, especially by the efforts of his mother, and the Trinitarians, were able to pay ransom for him.

    Living in Madrid, Cervantes had an affair with Ana de Villafranca, with whom he had a daughter, Isabel de Saavedra. In 1584 he married Catalina de Palacios and started writing plays and poetry, "The pen is the tongue of the mind." (ibid) including a pastoral romance in verse and prose La Galatea (1585), his first published work. When his writing produced little income he obtained a position with the government, and worked for the Spanish Armada and as a tax collector. Many times he ran into financial and other difficulties for which he was imprisoned.

    In 1604, Cervantes and his wife and daughter were living in Valladolid. After the publication of Don Quixote they moved back to Madrid. The Exemplary Novels of Cervantes (Novelas ejemplares) was published in 1613, which includes tales of pirates gypsies, inspired by Cervantes' own life experiences. The same year it was published, he joined the Third Order of Saint Francis. The second part of Don Quixote (1615) was followed by Persiles and Segismunda (1616). Miguel de Cervantes died in 1616 and is buried in the Convent of the Barefoot Trinitarians (Convento de los Trinitarios) in Madrid, Spain.

    "It is so conspicuous and void of difficulty that children may handle him, youths may read him, men may understand him, and old men may celebrate him."--from The First Part of the Delightful History of the Most Ingenious Knight Don Quixote of the Mancha (from Thomas Shelton's 1612 translation)

    Biography written by C. D. Merriman for Jalic Inc. Copyright Jalic Inc. 2007. All Rights Reserved.
    The above biography is copyrighted. Do not republish it without permission.

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  • Marconi

    Marconi (edited)

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    I absolutely agree with your evaluation, Andi. The book is long-winded and is basically a one-joke effort with the nutty wannabe knight tilting at windmills. No doubt this was fascinating entertainment in the days before cinema and tv, but i think the whole thing overrated. If you want a long, amusing picaresque novel, Try the Memoirs of Casanova instead! [or Tristram Shandy.]

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  • A.K. Klemm
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    Things Most People Don't Know...

    The line "Thanks for nothing" comes from Cervantes "Thank you for nothing" in Don Quixote.

    Although he was known for burning books, Don Quixote was found in Adolf Hitler's personal library. It is one of the 1200 books now housed in the Third Reich Collection in the Library of Congress.

    *Information from The Literary Companion: A Think Book by Robson Books

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  • Jeffrey R
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    It has been a bit since I've read the book, but I remember I found myself quite endeared to Sancho. He is so sure, as the escapades continue, that he will not get the island promised and yet he endures for fear that he will not get the island he was promised. In some ways, there seems to be a bit of Sancho in all of us.

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    • A.K. Klemm
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      I agree. In a way, Sancho reminds me of a toddller who doesn't want to go to sleep for fear of missing out on something in the living room. He knows he should probably turn back because there is no way the things will come to pass that DQ promises, but he continues on just in case.

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    A tidbit from Paul Anderson’s Hunger’s Brides: ‘ I wanted to protest the cruel treatment Cervantes had yet again served up to the old Quixote. Why didn’t Cervantes just let him go home? After only a hundred pages don Quixote already had so many fine stories, and true friends to tell them to.’

    So true! So true!

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    A Bit of History

    Cervantes published the first part of Don Quixote in 1605...

    What else was happening that year?

    "Remember, remember the fifth of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I see no reason, why gunpowder treason
    should ever be forgot."

    Guy Fawkes was arrested on November 5th of 1605 for conspiring to blow up parliament, a plan to assassinate King James I.

    There was also some ordeal with Pope Leo XI, known as "the two month pope."

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    • Agnes of Bemerton, Shopgirl
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      Did you know that Shakespeare and Cervantes died on the same date? Not the same day--two different calendars were used--but definitely the same year.

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    • A.K. Klemm
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      Interesting, no, I didn't know that. Thanks!

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    Questions from Bauer Part I

    Who is the central character?

    What is the book's most important event?

    Which character is most affected?

    Give this book a new title and subtitle.

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    Questions from Bauer Part II

    Am I transported?

    Is this novel a fable or a chronicle?

    What does the central character want? What's standing in his way? What is the strategy?

    Who is telling you this story?

    Where is the story set?

    What style does the writer employ?

    Images and Metaphors?

    Any conclusions drawn from the beginning and ending?

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    Questions from Bauer Part III

    Is this book an accurate portrayal of life?

    Does the author's technique give you a clue as to his take on the human condition?

    Is the novel self reflective?

    Did the writer's time effect him?

    Do you agree or disagree with the author/story? What is the novel meant to do? Why read this book?

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  • Dee G
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    I read about half of this in college and remember being bored. I will do a quick reread of maybe the Sparks or cliff notes and see if I want to try it again. I do like knowing what else was going on in the world at the time these books were written though. I have found sometimes a book makes more sense if you look at the times.

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    • A.K. Klemm

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      I'd re-read Part One if you are in the mood, but would not bother with Part Two. Part Two was a waste of paper, and I believe it was just written out of spite so that another man couldn't write a sequel.

      As I've written on this thread before:

      A tidbit from Paul Anderson’s Hunger’s Brides: ‘ I wanted to protest the cruel treatment Cervantes had yet again served up to the old Quixote. Why didn’t Cervantes just let him go home? After only a hundred pages don Quixote already had so many fine stories, and true friends to tell them to.’

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  • A.K. Klemm
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    Also check out the fantasy verses reality discussions in the Madame Bovary thread.

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    Everything you've heard about this book is true! I've read it three times, as a kid, then in College, and 10 years after graduating from College. It is a classic, so every time you read it you find new things you did not notice before. I've always read the Spanish version, so it is even better! :-)

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    • mef

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      It's been on my TBR list forever -- to the point that I have more than one copy, because I kept thinking "I really want to read that" and buying it, forgetting I'd already bought one.

      Ah, well. That's what BookMooch.com is for...

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