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  • MaryH

    How does Shelfari compare to other online tools?

    Dear LwCers,
    We've just begun to explore the world of social reading together. Already we've seen that Shelfari is not the only tool available to us for this purpose though!

    Have you used other online tools for keeping track of your reading? If so, please share your experience, so we can become more familiar with the merits of various online tools, such as Library Thing, Visual Bookshelf, iRead, etc.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Mary Hillis
    MaryH started this discussion 1 year ago. ( reply )

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  • Birgit

    Birgit 

    Since I was the one who mentioned - in a post to the LwC Yahoo group - that I prefer LibraryThing over Shelfari, I suppose I should be the first to answer Mary's questions. However, please bear in mind that I am much more familiar with LibraryThing than Shelfari, so please correct me if any of my comments are incorrect or incomplete. What I provide below is simply a list of observations based on my personal experience with both websites.

    When I came across LibraryThing I was looking for a webservice for cataloging books, and that is precisely what LibraryThing was at the beginning - the social network aspect started to evolve later as more and more people began to use the service. It may be for this reason that it's a much better and more complete application if what you want is to access detailed information about foreign, out-of-print, hard-to-find books or special editions. While Shelfari apparently looks to Amazon as their only source of data, LibraryThing allows you to search the databases of nearly 700 libraries and online book stores in 46 different countries (The Library of Congress, the British Library... but also the Catàleg Col·lectiu de les Universitats de Catalunya!). And if your book does not come up in the search, you can always add the book and relevant information manually. When I imported the list of books I have on LibraryThing into Shelfari, many of them could not be added, in some cases I managed to add an alternative edition of the book to my bookshelf (e.g. an English translation), but not always - so my list of books on Shelfari does not include hardly any of the old out-of-print books I have bought second-hand or the many books I have in languages other than English. Furthermore, when Amazon does not provide a cover for the book, there appears to be no way to scan and upload a picture of the cover into Shelfari (at least I have not managed to figure out how to do it).

    Which brings me to my second point. Although Shelfari is definitely less text-dense, in my opinion, this does not make it easier to navigate. On the contrary, I find that many of the options in Shelfari are hidden or difficult to find - but then again this may be due to the fact that I'm more familiar with LibraryThing. It took me quite a while, for example, to realize that it's possible to change to a tabular view of your library in Shelfari - similar to LibraryThing's default view - by clicking on 'switch to list view'. This tabular view is a much easier way to add tags, ratings, etc. than via the mouse-over pop-up! In LibraryThing, however, you can customize the information you want to see in tabular view - and define up to 5 different 'styles' or combinations of information, choosing from a large number of options, not all of which are available on Shelfari (e.g. the subject headings provided by the Library of Congress).

    Another thing I like better about LibraryThing is that the mechanism for finding members with your books is more complete. In Shelfari, by going to members/just for you, you can see pictures of the 10 people on Shelfari with the most similar bookshelves. But as I mentioned previously, these similarities may not reflect your current reading tastes or interests, and there is no way I can see of getting more library-based friend suggestions, apart from the initial 10. LibraryThing allows you to carry out three different kinds of searches, 'raw', 'weighted' by book obscurity and library size, or 'recent' (i.e. books added in the last two weeks). You can also access a list of books that you share with only one other member, or you can find members that are using the same tags you are. Moreover, tags people consider to mean the same thing are grouped together, so if you tag a book 'science fiction' and someone else tags it 'ciencia ficción', these will be considered equivalent terms when running a search on people who are using the same tags you are. All of this, I find, makes it easier to find people with similar reading tastes and interests.

    Other things? Well, LibraryThing has been translated into 6 different languages and is in the process of being translated into 42 others - by groups of users! As a result, there are many more members (according to Quantcast.com LibraryThing has 218,112 unique monthly users while Shelfari has only 9,898) from a wider variety of countries, thus making it possible to discuss books in languages other than English (which is great for language learners!) You can run searches within your library and also select multiple books and edit them simultaneously, for example, to select the language the book is written in or to add the same tag to a number of books at the same time. You can also swap books with other users, search for the nearest library where you can find a copy of the book or access an electronic version of the book through Google's Book Search API.

    I'm sure Shelfari has some advantages over LibraryThing, especially with regard to its function as a social network, and I'm really looking forward to exploring these aspects with the LwC group. One thing I have already noticed, is that Shelfari allows users to set up different shelves for Reading, To Read, Own, Favorites, Wish List etc. This is not possible in LibraryThing (unless you add these options as tags). And while LibraryThing does show a list of most commonly shared books for each group, it does not provide each group with a separate bookshelf or indicate which groups have or are discussing a given book. Besides, while Shelfari is free for everyone, regardless of the size of their library, non-paying members of LibraryThing are limited to 200 books (for larger libraries it charges a $10 annual fee, with a lifetime membership going for $25 ). Well, that's enough to get the conversation running, I imagine. I realize that many of the advantages I've outlined are probably more important for a bibliophile like myself than for a language student, so I'm expecting to have some or my arguments refuted. Looking forward to your comments, Birgit
    posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
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    • Claudia C

      Claudia C 

      Birgit
      Your analysis is quite complete. Let me just add an example of how I introduced my students to Library Thing in my blog
      http://fceblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/what-shall-i-read.html
      Only one member of the group emailed me after the course saying she had adopted the tool for her personal reading. That made me glad, of course.

      I'm interested in exploring the Shelfari advantages, though.
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • Jane

      Jane 

      Birgit,
      Thank you very much for such a thorough description of LibraryThing. I can see that it would be a very useful site for cataloguing books and listing books not on Amazon's list. I wonder if some of the shortcomings you mentioned for Shelfari (and LibraryThing) might be improved in the near future. Shelfari seems to have improved quite a bit over what it allowed a year ago. Jane
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • Jane

      Jane 

      Claudia,
      I loved the way you described LibraryThing for your students! (Useful for educators too!) Jane
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • Birgit

      Birgit (edited)

      I wanted to reply to Jane's message - the one she wrote in response to my original message, but it seems that it's only possible to respond to the original message in a thread or the messages directly below it (at least I can't see a reply button under Jane and Claudia's responses - and that's why I'm responding to myself). Now that I've been using Shelfari for a couple of days, I'd like to add some comments to my original post.

      Adding books manually. It is indeed possible to add books that are not in the Shelfari / Amazon database manually. I didn't realize this at first because when you enter an isbn or title and the search is unsuccessful, there is no way to access this option directly nor does the note that appears tell you of this option. What you have to do is go back to my shelfari / my shelf / shelf / add books, and sure enough, there is the option to 'add manually'. That's way too many clicks!

      Changing covers. If you enter the information about a book that is not in the database manually, you have the option to upload a cover for the book, but only when you're entering the information for the first time. If you don't upload the cover right away, there is no way to add it to the book information later. According to the Shelfari FAQ, however, this is likely change in the future: "If you don’t see the the correct cover, it’s not yet in our database. The ability to upload covers and add books is coming soon!"

      I think Jane is right in pointing out that many social reading networks will be making changes in the future, based on what the competition offers and also on suggestions sent in by users. I've noticed, for example, that LibraryThing has added the option of marking books as 'currently reading' or 'to read'.

      Tagging. I might be missing something, but apparently the only way to search through your personal library is via the tags you've added for each of your books. However, it seems to me that there should be some way to use the general information that is already in the database, e.g. the name of the author, in your searches without having to manually tag all your books with the author's name. I hope someone will correct me and tell me how to display a list of all the books in my library by author x without having to tag them first.

      Tag and author clouds. It would be nice if on the authors page instead of a just list of the authors in your library you could see an authors cloud, with size of the name of each author in relation to the number of books you have of theirs. LibraryThing, for example, allows you to put both tag and author clouds on your webpage or blog, which is a nice way of telling your visitors something about your general reading tastes.

      In response to what Paul says about the messages not being dated or having as subject line - it's true that it's difficult to refer back to a message on Shelfari since one that was written '4 days ago' today will be shown as having been written '5 days ago' tomorrow. In LibraryThing group messages are numbered and also dated. Also, in LibraryThing you can add hyperlinks. The fact that you cannot add [del]any[/del] most html tags to messages or reviews in Shelfari for me is definitely a problem, since it limits the outside sources and multimedia you can offer your students in relation to what they're reading. This is only part of why I mentioned in a previous post that social reading networks like Shelfari may not be the best place to carry out projects based on class readings - at least anything beyond a class library.

      Another problem I have with the way messages are presented on social networks is that conversations are sometimes difficult to follow. For example, Saša's response (on Gladys's page) to Gladys's question (on Saša's page) about The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Since Saša mentioned 'intergalactic travelers' and also author Douglas Adams, I could infer that she was talking about The Hitch-hiker's Guide, but isn't this asking a bit much of our students? Or is the idea for them to use only the discussion board in the groups section and not participate in small-scale discussions with just one or two other students?

      Well, I'll leave it at that for now. Looking forward to your comments.

      Birgit
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
  • Paul B

    Paul B (edited)

    Although I'm not certain how many books Shelfari has cataloged already, the "State of the Thing" for August announced 30 million books in the LibraryThing catalog (Abigail, personal correspondence; August 14, 2008; 11:40:51, JST). When I went to add a new book to my Shelfari shelf, I had to do it manually, because I didn't find it in Shelfari's (Amazon) catalog. Then, again, I didn't find it in over half a dozen LibraryThing-accessible catalogs that I tried, either.

    The phenomenal affordances of Diigo tools allowing virtually seamless importation and propagation of Diigo bookmarks from and to de.licio.us and Ma.gnolia collections raised my expectations prior to joining Shelfari. I've only been around a couple days, but find Birgit suggests Shelfari offers import functionality, yet makes it sound less than satisfactory (first reply on this thread, "4 days ago"). Likewise, in a Shelfari Discussion group, CJ and others are asking for more complete data export functionality:

    http://www.shelfari.com/groups/10000/discussions/62542/Can-more-data-be-added-to-the-export-file-
    (Shelfari Discussion, Can more data be added to the export file?)

    The long URL above may break across lines; a TinyURL solves that problem:

    http://tinyurl.com/can-more-data

    but is equally inactive.

    Since I'm finding that discussion posts in Shelfari don't support hyperlinks:

    http://www.shelfari.com/groups/27166/discussions/63172/Technical-queries (LearningwithComputers, Discussions, Technical queries; 2008.08.14, JST),

    I wonder whether to consider Shelfari a Web 1.something networking tool.

    Under the circumstances, Jane's suggestion to implement LwC Living Lit Week 2 activities on personal blogs that enable full-feature displays, possibly including graphics, links, and other media, may be right on target:

    http://learningwithcomputers07.pbwiki.com/LwC%20Living%20Lit%20Week%202
    (LearningwithComputers07[-08] wiki, LwC Living Lit Week 2).
    posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
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