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  • MaryH

    Week One: Any questions or comments about Shelfari?

    This week is week one of exploring Shelfari. If you have any questions or comments, let's discuss them here.

    Here are some questions to consider:
    What are the advantages of social reading networks, like Shelfari?
    What are the disadvantages of social reading networks, like Shelfari?
    How might Shelfari be useful for your personal or professional development?
    How might Shelfari be useful for a class you're teaching?
    MaryH started this discussion 1 year ago. ( reply )

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  • susanacanelo

    susanacanelo 

    Dear Mary:
    I had no idea about Shelfari, but I'm doing homework. As always, exploring and learning with LWCers !!
    I received an invitation from Berta Leiva, arrived here and signed up...but I can't find her to add as a friend. As a matter of fact I can't find anybody.

    I could join the group and added two books to my shelf. But I'm having problems to upload my photo. I'll try later.

    But, please , I need some help to find my friends.
    A hug , and thanks for teaching so many things.
    Susana
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Susana,

      We're glad that you've joined us for a month of social reading! There are a couple of easy ways to find friends from LwC. First, look at the members of our LwC group, and then click on their photos to get to their profiles; then you can add them as friends.

      The second way is to look at our list on the wiki page where members should be adding links to their Shelfari profiles. In fact, the link to Berta's profile is there! http://learningwithcomputers07.pbwiki.com/LwC+Living+Lit

      I hope that you'll be able to add your profile picture next time you try. If not, let us know how we can help.

      We'll learn a lot from each other! Looking forward to checking out the books on your shelf ;)

      Mary Hillis
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  • M. Lorena R

    M. Lorena R 

    Mary, I'm just like Susana. This is the first time I've heard about Shelfari and I'm exploring it. It will be great I think since I love reading. It's true that now I'm not reading a book because I have to read for University and I don't have time to spare.
    I will try to see what I can do here. Thanks for giving us the possibility of exploring such a tool. See you,
    Lore
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  • Maryanne Burgos

    Maryanne Burgos 

    Mary,

    Regarding how Shelfari might be useful for my professional development, I think that it is a good way to see what books other educators are reading. Personally, in addition to reading for fun, I like to read about educational uses of the Internet. However, like most of us, I have little time and so would like to hear recommendations from others.

    I have been a member of Shelfari for quite a while but many of its features have vastly improved with time!

    Maryanne
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Lore and Maryanne,
      Lore, many of us can identify with a lack of time for reading for pleasure! Like you said, "It's true that now I'm not reading a book because I have to read for University and I don't have time to spare."

      Another excellent point was made by Maryanne, who said, "I think that it is a good way to see what books other educators are reading."

      We can use Shelfari not only to share books we are reading for pleasure, but also to share the professional development books that we find useful in our field.

      It would be a great idea to add some books about English language teaching, educational uses of the Internet, and so on to our group shelf!

      It is great to think about how to best use Internet tools together. Hope we'll have a great time exploring Shelfari and the world of social reading together!

      Mary Hillis
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  • Berta L

    Berta L 

    Hi everyone,
    A new tool, a new adventure with all of you again!!!
    One advantage I see right away is bringing like minds to this group, just like Susana said.
    Like Maryanne mentioned, it is a way of keeping updated with what other colleagues are reading in our field as well as knowing about new books that friends find fun and worth reading.

    I must say these days I don´t read for fun that much, except when I travel abroad and spend a long time at airports or planes. Otherwise I am glued to the net or I am reading refereed pdf papers or books in our area. It will be great to see the kinds of books LwCers have read or are reading.

    As to my class, I guess our best bet in our EFL program on EST reading would be to perhaps have a collective account instead of a group. Many of our students do not have access to Internet and sometimes even a computer. But some do and could profit from this tool.

    I can´t wait to hear more ideas from the group.

    All the best, hugs, Berta
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Berta,
      So glad that you'll join us here! As you probably noticed, groups on Shelfari have a group shelf that members can add too. That might be a good way for us, or a group of students to share books.

      Also, you can ask other members for book recommendations. In fact, I received a request from Susana asking, "Should I read The Hobbit"? The e-mail stated, "If you’d like a book recommendation, you can ask your friends or other Shelfari members what book you should read next. Just find a book and click the 'should I read this' button in the book popup."

      I have been mainly using the Facebook application Visual Bookshelf to keep track of my reading. I noticed that students who I am friends with add the books we're reading in our class to their accounts too!

      Can't wait to hear from more LwCers!

      Mary Hillis
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  • anamariacult

    anamariacult 

    Hi, Mary!
    It´s great to be here exploring shelfari with you. I´m an avid reader and would love to share and get recommendations. Personally, reading is a moment I have for MYSELF , to relax and travel in the eyes of someone else, therefore I choose books which help me wander. Professionally, I read about methodology and am always having a look at books with resources. I haven´t thought of how Shelfari could be used with my students...

    anamaria
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  • Gladys Baya

    Gladys Baya 

    Hi everyone!
    Here I am, following you into a whole new world once again! I think I'd heard about Shelfari once or twice before, but I've always been a little reluctant to join new networks (I feel I'm already in touch with more people I can cope with, and we should socialise with responsibility!). But I can't resist your invitations! ;-P

    MY QUESTION: can't we have a shelf in our group for books we might be reading in future? I thought we could share there proposals for book reviews on issues of common interest to us (namely, new technologies for the teaching of languages). Wouldn't that be cool?
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Gladys,
      So glad that you could join us here! As always, you have great ideas about how to use technology effectively! Yes, let's add books of professional interest to the group shelf -- that would be cool!
      Also, it is easy to write a review of a book. For example, when you mouse over a book on your shelf, a little bubble will pop up and you can write a review from there.
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  • Saša

    Saša 

    Hi, dear friends,
    Shelfari is new for me too. I managed to join the group, add a few books on my shelf, and send some friendship requests (I simply clicked on some photos of people I recognized, which took me to their pages, where there is the option to send friendship request). Like others mentioned, Shelfari seems very useful for sharing books between members of a like-minded group, also for sharing ideas how to develop class activities for readings. Need to explore it... looks interesting. Thank you for another lovely course!
    Warmly,
    Saša
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  • Xerim

    Xerim 

    Hi guys, I find books fascinating and having a place where I can Talk about books is just great. It's just too much fun.
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Welcome Sasa, AnaMaria, and Xerim! It is great that you have joined us to explore Shelfari. I agree that it is just plain fun and useful to share books with each other. Like Gladys suggested, let's add some books of interest to the group shelf and share our reviews of them! Can't wait to see what other ideas we come up with on how to use Shelfari for personal/professional development or with students!
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  • Birgit

    Birgit 

    For me the biggest advantage of social reading networks has nothing to do with the social aspect of the network, but with the fact that it's a quick and easy way to catalog your books. I used to use an Access database to manually enter information about all the books in my library. These online resources make it possible to access all the information about a book and incorporate it into an online database simply by entering the ISBN or using a barcode scanner. You can then access this information from any computer or even from your cell phone - which is very useful when you are rummaging through used book stores - (or export it to a CSV file).

    Another advantage is that these networks make it possible to get in touch with others who have similar reading tastes or interests and share recommendations as well as opinions about the books you are reading. The hard part is finding those connections whose recommendations will prove to be the most useful. Although these programs suggest connections by showing you people whose libraries are similar to yours, these similarities may not reflect your current reading tastes or interests (e.g. you may share a lot of classic literature that you haven't read since high school, and also, people add a lot books that they haven't read, but think they should). In any case, what I have found is that the more obscure the book, author or topic you are reading or researching, the more useful these networks can be in helping you find others with similar interests.

    For me, the biggest disadvantage of social reading networks is the huge amount of time it takes to keep your library up-to-date. I sometimes wonder whether that time wouldn't be more wisely spent doing other things .... like actually READING books! Although I am still an avid reader, and make a point of dedicating at least two hours a day to reading for pleasure (as Anamaria says, this is time we set aside for ourselves, not our professional selves but our innermost selves) I spend way too much time at my computer, and that takes time away from other things I could be doing. So for me the biggest disadvantage - not only of social reading networks, but of social networks and Web applications in general - is that they can be addictive and you can end up spending too much time on your virtual presence and not enough on simply living your life.

    However, for those of us who live abroad, being able to get & stay in touch with others who share our interests can be especially important, since we are otherwise cut off from the culture we grew up in, a culture that is ultimately responsible for who and what we are. Similarly, on a professional level, we can contact others who are working on similar projects or carrying out research in our field and share our knowledge, ideas and recommendations for further reading. The more obscure the topic and specific the work we are doing, the more difficult it is to find other professionals to collaborate with in our vicinity and the more useful these social networks can be in helping us connect with people who share our professional interests.

    As for students, I think a social reading network would be most useful in a class library project. That way students could read what their classmates have to say about the books they have read before deciding which book to read or buy themselves. In the case of language students, these recommendations could include information not only about how interesting they found the book but also about the difficulty of the language, the complexity of the narrative, and whether they would recommend the book to other learners of English. A selection of books (highest-rated or random) could be added to the class webpage using one of the widgets provided. This project could continue over the years in such a way that students would be writing recommendations not only for their classmates but for future students as well (which would give the project a permanency that should make students more careful about their writing). Students could also use recommendations from former students to select class readers.

    Social reading networks can also create a sense of community. I would therefore allow students to introduce books that they have read in languages other than English - that way they can discover classmates with similar reading interests. Another advantage of allowing students to introduce books they have read in L1 is that you can ask them to write reviews in English of these books. If you ask students to write about a recent or more obscure book by a writer in a language other than English, it is less likely that they will copy (ideas and/or sentences from) someone else's review. Also, as there are fewer - perhaps even no - reviews of the book on the website, the student's recommendation will be more useful to possible readers. And finally, if the students write about a book they really enjoyed, have strong opinions about, or one which deals with a topic within their field of expertise, it is much more likely that they will find something significant to say about it. In any case, writing for a real audience will give students a sense of purpose that can make them feel more motivated to write... and continue writing beyond what is merely the fulfillment of a class assignment.

    And to finish, I just want to say that I'm not sure a social reading network is the best place to discuss and work on class readings - I find that wikis (and to a lesser extent blogs) allow you much more flexibility to set up projects and activities around the books you are reading as a class. But that's another story...
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    • M. Lorena R

      M. Lorena R 

      Birgit, your post is excellent. It is so detailed that I could see the advantages and disadvantages of a social reading network.
      I totally agree with you on what you can do with students. I had been thinking about that option: having students to read different books and make comments about them so that other students could read the reviews before reading the books.
      I will also take up your other suggestion for students who have read books in L1. It sounds promising.
      Thank you for sharing your point of view. See you,
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Birgit,
      Thank you so much for sharing your impressions and uses of social reading sites! As an avid reader and experienced user of these sites, your ideas are really appreciated. Also, I noticed that you are one of the Shelfari users with the most tags!

      LwCers, let's not forget to tag our books! What do you think are the advantages of tagging our book collections? What kinds of tags might be the most useful? We'll continue to explore this and the other features of Shelfari together!
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    • Violeta

      Violeta (edited)

      "So for me the biggest disadvantage - not only of social reading networks, but of social networks and Web applications in general - is that they can be addictive and you can end up spending too much time on your virtual presence and not enough on simply living your life."

      Uff, tell me about it!
      I do think, however, that we could set a specific task that students may complete on this platform and students won't get addicted to it. (as opposed to us :) )

      Also, I think that from time to time it's nice to try new applications (other than blogs or wikis) with our students. I found this one in particular a little difficult to manage than others (some of us even had problems finding out how to add friends) so the teacher would have to give very specific instructions to avoid confusion and unnecesary frustration.
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    • Gladys Baya

      Gladys Baya 

      Hi Birgit!
      This comment of yours is so complete and informative I think it'd be a real pity if it got lost in the mist of our never-ending discussions here. Wouldn't you like to post it to the group blog, so that we can highlight there as our monthly reflection?
      Please say yes!
      Big hug,
      Gladys
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    • Violeta

      Violeta 

      Hi Birgit,
      your comment has certainly given me food for thought.
      At first I didn't notice how "social" this network was. Now that I have received some messages and friend requests from people I do not know, I understand your point when you say that this might not be "the best place to discuss and work on class readings"
      I work only with adults but I imagine for a teacher working with children, having different unknown people requesting being friends with his/her students might be problematic.
      I really liked your suggestion about creating a long-term reading/commenting project.
      I think for us (teachers) might be a good advantage to have students thoughts/reflections about reading assignments witten down somewhere. It will serve us as feedback that students do not always feel free/confident to provide in class.
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    • Birgit

      Birgit (edited)

      This is a response to various comments made in this discussion.

      • Tagging

        Mary wrote: Also, I noticed that you are one of the Shelfari users with the most tags!

        ...one of the people on Shelfari who tagged the most books that day - that's because I hadn't previously tagged any of the books I had uploaded to Shelfari.

        What do you think are the advantages of tagging our book collections? What kinds of tags might be the most useful?

        By tagging your books, you can more easily access lists of books that you associate in some way, in order, for example, to create a reading list for a class or a list of suggested reading for a friend with a particular interest or in a given situation. Tagging books in ways that are meaningful to you, instead of using conventional metadata, allows you to give more importance to those aspects that are of particular interest to you. For example, if you are into trains - like my husband - then you might tag all those novels that include a train ride or a scene on a train with a custom tag. In areas that are of specific interest to you, you will surely have not only more books but also a greater number of highly specific tags, as opposed to the more generic tags you may use in other areas. These preferences are then displayed in your tag cloud, which gives visitors to your profile an idea of what your interests are and can help people with similar interests connect.


        Getting students hooked on an application

        Violeta wrote : I do think, however, that we could set a specific task that students may complete on this platform and students won't get addicted to it. (as opposed to us :) )

        No - that wouldn't be very likely, would it? A student getting addicted to one of the applications we introduce them to? But if we could find a way to get them involved and enthusiastic to the point where the time spent using the application led to an improvement in their English - that would be something, wouldn't it? And even if it's only one or two students who get hooked - that would make the whole experience worth it, don't you think? But it's not always the most sophisticated applications that students find the most attractive. I once had a student who got so 'addicted' to a game of Snakes and Ladders I set up for my students so they could practice phrasal verbs, that she practically memorized the entire question bank! (I'm not saying that we should make our students memorize phrasal verbs - god forbid - it's just an example to show that you never know what will make a given student 'tick'.)

        Illya wrote about her failure using LibraryThing on her class blog: I put library thing on the class blog so that students could see what I was reading, and I encouraged them to make their own shelf and begin sharing. However, as with all technologies, they didn't because I didn't take the time to guide them, partly because I wasn't sure how to use it myself.

        Although it's true that you need to have a reasonable knowledge regarding the technical possibilities of web applications in order to design engaging and varied activities for your students, I find that this alone is not enough for an activity to work. Those online activities that have worked the best in my classes are not the most sophisticated technically, but those where a student or group of students got so involved that they acted as a catalyst for the rest of the group. This is why I think it's so important to begin the course with activities that will create a sense of community, where students look to each other for help and learn to work collaboratively instead of relying solely on the teacher.


        Posting to the group blog

        Gladys wrote This comment of yours is so complete and informative I think it'd be a real pity if it got lost in the mist of our never-ending discussions here. Wouldn't you like to post it to the group blog, so that we can highlight there as our monthly reflection?

        Thanks, Gladys, but my comment is anything but complete - I'm sure many more ideas will come up during the course of the discussion. Since I am new, I don't know what the policy about posting to the group blog is, but if you the group moderators think any of what I write could be useful to others, I would be happy to share it on the group blog.
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
  • Maryanne Burgos

    Maryanne Burgos 

    Mary,
    I love the group book shelf function. I'm wondering if group members can write reviews of these books anywhere? I use Blog, Wikis, Podcasts etc. as the text for an online course I teach and I'd love to know what others think of it or if they have any other suggestions.
    Prior to finding this book in 2006, I was having the students in my grad course about educational uses of the Internet read various articles on the topics of blogs, etc. and, of course, practice using web 2.0 tools. When I found Will Richardson's book I was thrilled because here were all the tools in one book. However, since the book was published in 2006 some of the tools such as Delicious and Blogger have changed significantly. That makes it confusing for newies who are using the tools for the first time. In addition, and topics such as microblogging are not covered at all.
    However, I just read a post in Richardson's blog saying that he is working on some new books. Hopefully, he will also do a revised edition to his fabulous 2006 one.
    Maryanne
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    • Illya A

      Illya A 

      Hi Mary
      I've been very busy and only just found the time to check out the group discussion. What a great addition to the bookcase!

      I've been using Shelfari for a while now, and before I used library thing. I never really explored library thing, so I can't do much comparing, but the groups and discussion functions are really powerful here.

      I can definitely see sharing and discussing books for professional development here.

      In terms of students, I've put library thing on the class blog so that students could see what I was reading, and I encouraged them to make their own shelf and begin sharing. However, as with all technologies, they didn't because I didn't take the time to guide them, partly because I wasn't sure how to use it myself.

      Now I'm sure that with the expereince of using Shelfari with LWC I'll feel more comfortable in leading them through the possibilitites of it and showing them how they can gain from using it for the class.

      I'm looking forward to another great exploration with you all!
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Maryanne,
      Sharing book reviews in our LwC group would be great! Let's go ahead and add books to the group shelf and share our reviews. This will be one of the tasks for next week, but we can get a head start ;)

      @Illya,
      Thank you so much for joining us! You've brought up yet another function of Shelfari. We can create widgets of our bookshelf to share elsewhere: on a blog as you mentioned, or on your Pageflakes as Gladys did, or elsewhere!
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    • Gladys Baya

      Gladys Baya 

      Hi Maryanne!

      Anyone can review books by right clicking on them and entering their ideas... I know that works for books on my shelf... though I don't know how it works for group libraries! We should give it a try (now, reviewing books is time-consuming, I know!)

      Which book by Richardson are you talking about? Sounds interesting! (guess I could find out by visiting your shelf, but I've been around here for too long, I'd better go back to my duties now!).

      Love,
      Gladys
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    • Maryanne Burgos

      Maryanne Burgos 

      Gladys,
      Clicking on the book on the group shelf doesn't seem to let you write a review. Maybe we can think of another way to comment on books. Perhaps we could start a discussion called Book Reviews.
      Maryanne
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    • Birgit

      Birgit (edited)

      Maryanne,
      If you double click on the book on the group shelf, then the book page will open. Click on 'my copy'. This will open a space for you to write your review.
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  • Nina L

    Nina L 

    WOW!!! Dear Mary, I have been using Shelfari for some months already, but did't have an opportunity to go deeply into it. It sounds really fantastic. Forum here looks like a very useful resource for learning and teaching.
    I am happy to get back from travelings and hope to drop by freuently. I am so glad to see many of the friends from LwC and many new ones.

    Thanks a ton for creating this forum for us.
    Lots of love,
    nina (nagora)
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    • MaryH

      MaryH 

      Hi Nina,
      Great to have you with us! The discussions here have been really interesting from the contributions of great members of LwC!! Did you finish reading the book you bought, Love in the Time of Cholera? Hope you'll write a review of it for us!
      Hugs,
      Mary
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  • Paul B

    Paul B (edited)

    Hi Mary, and all!

    It is a pleasure to be in your virtual company once again. I'm afraid I missed out on discussion of what constitutes social reading networks, as I'm coming in late and on a burnout trajectory too convoluted to recount.

    I wonder whether our working definition includes computer-mediation, but would rather it did not. Computer-mediation might characterize both advantages and disadvantages of using tailor-made or purpose-targeted online mechanisms such as Shelfari, as well as choices of arguably equally suitable, but more bland technology. For example, I note in passing, Birgit's thoughtful and thought-provoking reply about four days ago (no number, no date) may be ready to go on the LwC blog (or there already).

    On one hand, as others note, the advantages in the social realm may include distributed and extended opportunities for mutual inquiry and support, cooperative and possibly even collaborative knowledge-building and know-how development. On the other, while the opportunities for exploring or optimizing uses of yet another online networking tool are interesting enough to begin with, in the end I wonder whether the investment and distribution of time, effort, and resources across tools and networks will meet with concentration, consolidation, refinement, and general usefulness outside a particular system such as Shelfari. That is, paybacks, above and beyond display and connectivity on site, or though preformatted RSS widgets.

    As far as personal development, professional development, and teaching are concerned, I take them more or less as one and the same. I imagine that there are possibilities beyond my ken, so I'll endeavor to learn about another networking tool in ways I'd never expect most members of a class I'm teaching to do, in hopes that Shelfari might manifest both ease of use and usefulness for a combination of purposes.
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    • Natasa B

      Natasa B 

      Hi everyone,
      I only joined Shelfari yesterday and I am still trying to work out what it can do for me. It is addictive, though, as I have just spent two hours searching through their catalogues for the books I have read. It is like a personal history, remembering what I was like when I read those books and how each one of them made me feel.
      I am looking forward to discussing books with the rest of you.
      Natasa
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • carlaarena

      carlaarena (edited)

      Dear Paul,

      That's it. You've just touched on a point that is our main objective with these monthly explorations of different e-tool, to test and see how useful these tools are and how they could be used in our classrooms. I only add an e-tool to my teaching practices if I really consider it to be a gain in the pedagogical process. If it's not the case, I'll just drop it or use it for personal stuff, professional development, social networking.

      Dear Natasa,

      Great to see you around. And, yes, Shelfari can be addictive as your revisit what you've read, check reviews, organize your shelf and connect to others. Another nice aspect is that now I'm forcing myself to add the books I want to read to my wishlist. It helps when I'm at Amazon!
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
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