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  Larry K started this discussion 1 year ago. ( reply )

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  Adam Kruszewski 

  Are seven pointers also welcomed? ;-)
  
  Warm regards,
  a.

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    Larry K 

    Oh, Yes! I'm a 7 pointer myself. TTuliPP.
    
    TheTT for Total Depravity andTotal Inability
    (because some calminians say they believe in TD but still insist than man can do something godwardly from within himself)
    
    The PP for Perseverece AND Preservation
    (because a balance is needed between Human Responsibility and the Sovereignty of God.)

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    Adam Kruszewski 

    Oh, then it would made me even 9 pointer really ;-)
    As I was thinking more about what John Piper said being 7 pointer:
    http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/AskPastorJohn/ByTopic/105/1418_What_does_John_Piper_mean_when_he_says_that_he_is_a_sevenpoint_Calvinist/
    
    And I haven't met a Calvinist who would instist that man can do something godwardly from within himself. It's quite interesting how they conter this with Total Depravity (which in my opinion depends on Total Inability).
    
    Warm regards,
    a.

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    Larry K (edited)

    Oh,OK. I see what you mean. I think maybe I am a nine pointer too but I'd like to figure out a way to make Piper's 7th point fit in the tulip acrostic. His 6th point is simply another u for unconditional reprobation. That works. Let's see - how can we say "the best of all worlds" with a word or phrase that states it with one of the letters in tulip..... How about "Inconceivably best of all worlds grace"
    
    SO - We haveTTUULIIPP :) Boy, talk about a stuttering Calvinist.
    
    I have not read any of Pipers books but some of my friends have and they seem to like him.
    
    You said: And I haven't met a Calvinist who would instist that man can do something godwardly from within himself.
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    Me niether but there are some fellows who try to be half and half - I call them Cal-minians. Their problem - inconsistency.

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    Adam Kruszewski 

    I have read something like one Piper article maybe ;-) Actually most books I read ware written by Arminians and right now I try to read more reformed authors to "catch-up" ;-)
    
    Warm regards,
    a.

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    Larry K 

    Arthur Pink is pretty good I think.
    http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/pinks_archive.htm

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  Larry K 

  I'm reading a devotional book (as I call it) By Alexander Carson entitled "The History of Providence" and it brings out on many occasions how that God works things out in the lives of His people using at times the most unlikely things. Sometimes He even takes the evil deeds of men to turn around and be a blessing in the end according to His eternal purpose.
  
  Funny thing about it is, I started reading this book several years ago and somehow it got placed on a shelf in my library before I finished it and I forgot about it. God in His providence, used shelfari to reunite me with it.
  
  I found it the other day as I was adding books to my shelfari shelf. I skimmed the part I already read and am once again enjoying the practical lessons from providence down through the years in the lives of God's people. It really is a blessing. I'll see if I can add it to this group's shelf.
  
  Do you have a story to tell that reveals how God has used His divine providence to work His will in your life?

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  Larry K 

  Just a reminder - if you haven't introduced yourself, Sign in here and give a little "Word of wisdom" :)

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    Larry K 

    Marion and I are home now from our two week vacation in Kauai. It was great. I see things are going alright here. A little slow but Hey, that's OK. Aloha everybody!

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  Sherry 

  I am fast becoming an avid reader. I used to take time for other things but am enjoying the life of an empty nesting, reading Mom....between sobs. I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian who enjoys dialogue with others. I am a BIble worker for my home church. Right now I am most interested in Dan 2 and Revelation examining the end times according to the bible. I love to examine verses of scripture that provide insight about the last days. Thanks for this forum where all seem welcome. I hope to have bits of time here and there to dialogue with you folks.

  
  

  Blessings

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  Lance - Author of "Ask James One" 

  I'll have to catch up on my reading after the first of the year. Right now the holidays have me swamped and I just got back to work after eye surgery.

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  Watchman 

  Glad to be a new member of this group. Looking forward to discussing the fine theology of Mr. Calvin. I hope not to see any bashing against our Arminian brothers. The minute I see it, I'm outta here. Unfortunately, I seem to see a lot of it coming from fellow Reform thinkers and it drives me CRAZY! So far from what I can tell on this forum everyone seems courteous and friendly.

  I am currently studying for Masters of Biblical Studies at Newburgh Theological Seminary in Newburgh, IN.

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    Larry K 

    Dear Watchman,

    Welcome to the group. You have the kind of spirit that I like to see displayed on this forum and I look forward to reading your posts and comments. I pray your MA studies go well.

    By His sovereign grace,
    Larry Killion

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  dtbrents 

  Watchman, glad to see you here. I think you accused me of being one of your Armenian brothers today. I am not an Armenian. I believe all of the work of salvation was done for us on the cross.

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    Watchman 

    dtbrents - Based on everything YOU have described about your theological beliefs, YOU are Arminian. Here is what Arminius believes about election, atonement, and free-will:

    Election is conditional: Arminius defined election as "the decree of God by which, of Himself, from eternity, He decreed to justify in Christ, believers, and to accept them unto eternal life." God alone determines who will be saved and his determination is that all who believe Jesus through faith will be justified. According to Arminius, "God regards no one in Christ unless they are engrafted in him by faith."
    (Arminius Writings, III:311)

    Atonement is intended for all: Jesus' death was for all people, Jesus draws all people to himself, and all people have opportunity for salvation through faith.
    (Arminius I:316)

    Man has free will to respond or resist: Free will is limited by God's sovereignty, but God sovereignly allows all men the choice to accept the Gospel of Jesus through faith, simultaneously allowing all men to resist.
    (Arminius Writings, III:311)

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  Watchman 

  dtbrents - Based on everything YOU have described about your theological beliefs, YOU are Arminian. Here is what Arminius believes about election, atonement, and free-will:

  Election is conditional: Arminius defined election as "the decree of God by which, of Himself, from eternity, He decreed to justify in Christ, believers, and to accept them unto eternal life." God alone determines who will be saved and his determination is that all who believe Jesus through faith will be justified. According to Arminius, "God regards no one in Christ unless they are engrafted in him by faith."
  (Arminius Writings, III:311)

  Atonement is intended for all: Jesus' death was for all people, Jesus draws all people to himself, and all people have opportunity for salvation through faith.
  (Arminius I:316)

  Man has free will to respond or resist: Free will is limited by God's sovereignty, but God sovereignly allows all men the choice to accept the Gospel of Jesus through faith, simultaneously allowing all men to resist.
  (Arminius Writings, III:311)

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  dtbrents 

  Please be polite enough to not use capitol letters. It's like shouting at me. I am neither Calvinist nor Armenian. These are man made labels. In truth as I have stated before I believe the Bible teaches both Sovereign Grace and mans responsibility. I believe salvation is all of God and none of us but that we have to respond to the drawing of the Holy Spirit. I believe man is total depraved but I do not believe that means he is dead and cannot respond to God's call. I believe when Adam fell died spiritually it meant he was separated from God not a moron. Please in the future when addressing me state what you believe not what I believe.

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  Watchman 

  "Please in the future when addressing me state what you believe not what I believe."

  So, its okay for you state what I believe but not for me to state what you believe? Please, spare me the rhetoric.

  It is obvious you are unable to come to terms with your own beliefs let alone the beliefs of Reformed Theology. Your heart is obviously hardened towards Reformed Theology and anyone who holds to its beliefs. You can't beat a dead horse. As far as I'm concerned this discussion is OVER.

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  dtbrents 

  I'm sorry if I have done that and will be sure and not do it again. My heart is not hardened toward anything in the Bible. My whole family is of the reformed belief but I have never heard of some of the things you believe. I feel everyone has a right to choose how they interpret the Bible. The only thing I'm firm on is the way to be saved.

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