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  • Syed  M

    The Influence of Paul And The Pauline Church On The Trinitarian Dogmas

    Paul was a self-proclaimed apostle to theGentiles. References to his life and personality were partly based on primarysource, notably his letters, and partly on the account given by Luke in Acts.The primary nature of Paul's life account (history), in fact, aggravates thesuspicion that he tailored everything to suit his motive (apparently implicit)of getting to the top of Christendom power.

    Indeed, the veryfoundation of Christianity today emerged through the great influence of Paul. Asthe founder of today's Christianity, Paul testifies:"According to the grace ofGod which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the Foundation,and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it"[46].

    Michael Hart, an American mathematician, historian and publisher, in his rankingof the 100 most influential persons in history places Paul (not Jesus Christ) asthe second most influential person in history - next only to the ProphetMuhammad (peace be upon him)[47]. In his ranking, Hart clearlyrecognizes the fact that Paul was the real founder of today's Christianity. Paulsurprisingly outranks Jesus in Hart's listing, because he wrote more books ofthe Bible than those of its other authors, whereas Jesus did not write a singleword in it. Surprisingly enough, the so-called epistles of Paul to the Romans,Corinthians, Galatians, Ephiseans, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians,Timothy, Titus and to Philemon have virtually no reference to the true wordsuttered by Jesus (peace be upon him).

    Except for fourrepugnant verses, which were allegedly attributed to Jesus (peace be upon him),virtually all of the more than two thousand verses of the epistles of Paul arehis own fabrications. Christians should know that Paul himself mentions his owngospel, not Jesus', in his epistle to the Romans when he says, "In the day whenGod will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."(Romans 2:16). In fact, the Pauline Epistle to the Romans serves as thefoundation of today's Christianity[48]. Indeed, this is so strange andironical, knowing that none of its more than 430 verses were ever formulated byJesus. Paul should have made direct reference to the pristine teachings of Jesus(peace be upon him), if only the formers' claim for apostleship or divineinspiration was, indeed, true. Instead, large parts of his epistles' Biblicalquotations (notably those in the Epistle to the Romans) were taken from the OldTestament - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, Psalms,Proverbs, Isaiah, Ezekiel and Hosea. His epistles were, indeed, a product oftedious efforts, but that does not make Paul far better than any of the othermen who authored the Bible.

    It is worth noting that theAthanasian Creed, as mentioned earlier, was never taught by Jesus (peace be uponhim). In fact, the word Trinity or the Athanasian Creed itself is nowhere foundin the Bible.

    Trinitarian dogma was merely deduced from IJohn 5:7, which states: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, theFather, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". Christianscholars of the Bible later found that this dogma was an interpolation in theKing James version. In fact, no less than a group of 32 Christian scholars ofhighest eminence, advised by a board of 50 representatives of variousdenominations came up in 1946 with a revised standard version of the NewTestament, and of the whole Bible in 1952, discarding the foregoing passage[49].

    Oneof the major innovations of the Pauline church is the blood atonement[50]. In his epistle to theRomans, Paul says:"Much more then, having now been justified by his Blood weshall be saved from wrath through Him"[51].

    Other relatedBiblical passages, wherein the Christian dogma of blood atonement or vicarioussacrifice is probably inferred from, are as follows:"Knowing that you were notredeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conductreceived by your fathers", "but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lambwithout blemish and without spot"[52].

    "Take, eat; this is My bodywhich is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me"[53].

    "This cup is the new covenantin My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me"[54].

    "My grace issufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness"[55].

    The foregoingverses, indeed, contradict the key teaching of Jesus, pertaining to salvation,which says:"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds therighteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter theKingdom of Heaven"[56].

    Christians, however, may always find ways to defend theTrinitarian heresy. They may, for instance, bank on Paul's baseless imaginationconcerning the role of Jesus: "...Christ came, who is overall, the eternallyblessed God"[57].

    This is, however, absurd, knowing that there is no single,unequivocal statement in the Bible whereby Jesus himself declares: "I am God;therefore, worship me". Instead, he said: "I can of Myself do nothing. As Ihear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own willbut the will of My father who sent Me."7 "...My Father is greater than I"[58]. "For I have not spoken ofmy own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I shouldsay and what I should speak"[59]. "And I know that His command iseverlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told me,so I speak"[60]. These arejust few of the verses which explicitly prove that Jesus (peace be upon him)claimed that he was 'sent' by God. In this regard, A Doctor of Divinity and anoted Christian professor of Church History, A. M. Renwick, himself emphasizesthat the one who is 'sent' is a messenger[61].

    Paul's explicitconfession that he "separated to the Gospel of God"[62]should give Christians courage todoubt his self-made dogmas. Jesus and all the other prophets (peace be upon themall) taught the unity of God (as manifested, for instance, in Exodus 20:25;Isaiah 44:6; John 5:44, 17:3). They had never taught Paul's innovations. So, anyreverence to Paul is, perse, a rebellion against Jesus himself.

    Moreover, if Saul (the other name of Paul) had, indeed,heard in a vision: "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"[63]he obviously deserved this humiliatingremark, because he had, in real life, severely persecuted the true followers ofJesus. Paul himself testifies:"Indeed, I myself thought I must do many thingscontrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. This I also did in Jerusalem, andmany of the saints I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chiefpriests; and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them. And Ipunished them often in every synagogue and compelled them to blaspheme; andbeing exceedingly enraged against them, I persecuted them even to foreigncities"[64]. "For I am theleast of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called apostle, because Ipersecuted the church of God"[65].

    Indeed, Paul wasan avowed enemy both of Jesus and his followers. Normative value judgment (letalone the Divine Law of God) would disqualify Paul from being an apostle,bearing in mind his known criminal background, particularly with respect to hispersecution campaign against the real followers of Jesus. Ironically, his claimto apostleship brought him to prison in Caesarea, Ro, and during one of histrials, the then Governor of Caesarea, Festus, said to him with a loud voice"Paul, you are beside yourself! Much learning is driving you mad!"[66]. In fact, he was slain for championingthe cause of his self-made Christianity. Paul's criminal records, indeed,deserved capital punishment.

    Other innovations by thePauline Church include the adoption of the following: the Roman Sun-day as theChristian Sabbath; the traditional birthday of the Sun-god as the birthday ofJesus; the emblem of the Sun-god, the cross of light, to be the emblem ofChristianity; and the incorporation of all the ceremonies which were performedat the Sun-god's birthday celebrations into their own rituals[67].



    [46] I Corinthians 3:10.
    [47] See Michael Hart, The Top 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History (New York: Hart Publishing Co., 1978).
    [48] Ironically, Martin Luther himself asserts that the Pauline Epistle to the Romans is "the Most important document in the New Testament, the gospel in its purest form". See Lewis W. Spitz ed., The Protestant Reformation (New Jersey prentice -Hall, Inc., 1966), pp.36.
    [49] See the section, "A Hint About the References", Reference No. 1 (d) in A. Abdel-Wahab Ali, The Christ As Seen in the Sources of the Christian Beliefs (Cairo: Wahba book Shop, 1985).
    [50] Other related innovations are the divinity of Jesus, the divine sonship of Jesus and the original sin.
    [51] Romans 5:9.
    [52] I Peter 1:18-19.
    [53] I Corinthians 11:24.
    [54] I Corinthians 11:25.
    [55] 2 Corinthians 12:9.
    [56] Matthew 5:20.
    [57] Romans 9:5.
    [58] John 14:28.
    [59] John 12:49.
    [60] John 12:50.
    [61] A. M. Renwick, The Story of the Church (Bristol: Inter-Varsity Press, 1977), p.19.
    [62] Romans 1:1.
    [63] Acts, 22:7.
    [64] Acts, 26:9-11.
    [65] I Corinthians 15:9.
    [66] Acts, 26:24.
    [67] Muhammad Ata ur-Rahim, op. cit., p.99.


    Extracts from the link:

    http://www.abdurrahman.org/comprel/onenessofgodmababaya.html

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  • Seeker of Truth

    Seeker of Truth 

    The Bible teaches a plurality within the Godhead in both the Old and New Testaments. It is these verses, in part, that lay down the foundation for the doctrine of the Trinity. For more information on the trinity, please see What is the Trinity? and The Trinity Chart on how the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at. See more information on the Holy Spirit

    Plurality of God in the Old Testament
    Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'"
    Angels do not create.
    We are not made in the image of angels
    there is no place in the OT where a leader refers to himself with the term "us."
    Gen. 3:22, "Then the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.'"
    Gen. 11:7, "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech."
    Gen. 19:24, "Then the Lord [YHWH] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord [YHWH] out of heaven."
    Psalm 45:6-7, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom. 7Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee."
    This is quoted in Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
    The Jehovah's Witness Bible has it translated as "God is thy Throne forever and ever..." But, God would not be a throne for anyone. A king sits upon a throne and God sits on His throne, not anyone else on God as a throne.
    Isaiah 6:8, "Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, 'Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!'"
    Isaiah 48:16, "Come near to Me [God], listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
    Amos 4:10-11, “I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11“I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord."
    Plurality of God in the New Testament
    Matt. 3:16-17, "And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
    Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
    Note that there is one name and three persons.
    1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons."
    "Lord" here is probably Jesus. See next verse.
    2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
    Eph. 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."
    1 Pet. 1:2, "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure."
    Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life."

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      Syed M 

      Read all what i posted,,anyway i am writing again some of it for you you can see the references from my first post.

      Christians, however, may always find ways to defend theTrinitarian heresy. They may, for instance, bank on Paul's baseless imaginationconcerning the role of Jesus: "...Christ came, who is overall, the eternallyblessed God"[57].

      This is, however, absurd, knowing that there is no single,unequivocal statement in the Bible whereby Jesus himself declares: "I am God;therefore, worship me". Instead, he said: "I can of Myself do nothing. As Ihear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own willbut the will of My father who sent Me."7 "...My Father is greater than I"[58]. "For I have not spoken ofmy own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I shouldsay and what I should speak"[59]. "And I know that His command iseverlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told me,so I speak"[60]. These arejust few of the verses which explicitly prove that Jesus (peace be upon him)claimed that he was 'sent' by God. In this regard, A Doctor of Divinity and anoted Christian professor of Church History, A. M. Renwick, himself emphasizesthat the one who is 'sent' is a messenger[61].
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    • Larry K

      Larry K 

      The Holy Call of Saul
      Acts 9:1-31.

      Our text is a lengthy read for a Sunday morning service but it is only 31 verses and is needed so that we can understand the context of our subject, “The Holy Call of Saul.” After his conversion Saul became known as Paul and he is one of my favorite heroes of the faith. Next to Jesus and John the Baptist, I believe he is the 3rd greatest preacher in the world. Paul was a pattern for those who would be saved after him. (1Tim. 1:16) With this in mind, consider five things about “The Holy Call of Saul.”

      I. THE HATRED OF SAUL.
      1. Acts 9:1-2 and 8:1-3.
      2. All the un-regenerated are the enemies of God.
      II. THE HALTING OF SAUL.
      1. Acts 9:3-7.
      2. God must effectually intervene for man or else he would never be saved.
      III. THE HEALING OF SAUL.
      1. Acts 9:8-18.
      2. A chosen vessel for God’s glory must suffer many things.
      3. Note that he was called “brother” BEFORE baptism.
      IV. THE HOMILETICS OF SAUL.
      1. Acts 9:19-24.
      2. Christ, the Son of God – Powerful, irrefutable.
      V. THE HELPING OF SAUL.
      1. Acts 9:25-31.
      2. Sometimes it is hard to believe who God would reach down and save by His indisputable sovereign and eternal grace.

      CONCLUSION: Saul was a very zealous religionist but he was lost and on his way to hell. The Bible says ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This is true whether you are religious or not. If anyone would be saved, God must intervene and grant repentance and faith by the implantation of a new nature through regeneration. As Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again.” After salvation, the first thing a person should do is submit to Scriptural baptism and associate with God’s people in a true New Testament Church. We invite you now to come to Christ by faith . This is the most important thing. AMEN. www.thelordsbaptistchurch.com
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