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  • Patti Q

    Finding your 'Passion"

    Could you share the way you found the outlet for your creativity?
    I'm a visual person with a creative soul but haven't succeeded in finding a fulfilling way to express myself. I've tried many a medium, read some books and done the exercises etc. I always give up in frustration and stuff the search away until the next time the spirit moves me. This is a cycle I've gone through again and again.
    The spirit is moving right now ... Please share your thoughts.

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  • Lorraine S

    Lorraine S 

    Patti, it is hard finding what your creativity soul is..but so far you are doing what everyone else does..keep searching till it hits you..do not let it get you down..in what ever you are doing try to make it different by trying something different than what the instruction says to do..even if you think it is wrong/stupid/dumb, do it any way..that is what I do and I love what I do but than I have been doing a lot of different techniques, mediums and textures all my life..only a few that I did not like..I do my best to make fun out of what I am doing, If you can not bring the fun part into you creativity it will be very frustrating to me anyway..
    Make a list of the things you have done..check of what you might want to try again if it has been a long time..our mind changes too all the time..you may not have liked what you did two years ago but you just may love doing it now..I hope I have help a little but probably not..You can buy/rent or check out library books, in the world like I do and it is not going to choose what you like, you have to do that..just practice different things that you haven't tried either..hugs, Lorraine

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  • Art Stark

    Art Stark (edited)

    Finding Your Passion — By the Numbers
    by Me.

    I. Prep: Pick a quiet, comfortable time and place that you will be daily.
    II. Supplies:
    .A. Comfortable furniture
    .B. Blank pad of paper (letter size to about 11x14)
    .C. Sharpened Pencil
    .D. Small note pad
    III. Procedure
    .A. Spend 30 minutes putting pencil to paper. Don’t stop. Don’t assess; breath.
    _1. Keep the pencil moving, but don’t rush; relax.
    _2. Doodles, sketches, captions, prose, etc. are allowed.
    _3. Assume all will amount to nothing. The doing is the point.
    .B. The small notepad will keep you drawing.
    _1. Think things will go better with music? Write a note for next time.
    _2. Just remembered you need to mail a letter? Write it down for later.
    _3. Smoke alarm just go off? O.k., stop; bring pad outside with you.
    .C. At the end of 30 minutes
    _1. Clean-up your work space for next time. Sorry, time’s up.
    _2. Do not evaluate what you’ve done. Put it away.
    _3. Do not show what you’ve done. That wasn’t the point.
    .D. Do it all again tomorrow.
    .E. As days turn to weeks, mold procedure to you. For example:
    _1. Use a pen if it seems right.
    _2. Don’t be comfortable all the time.
    _3. Need color? Add some.
    _4. If you’re flowing, don’t stop at 30 minutes.
    IV. Finding Your Passion
    .A. After 2-3 weeks if you’re feeling silly and frustrated: good job.
    .B. After 2-3 months if you’re feeling the calm of routine: good job.
    .C. After that, if your notepad has ideas for novels and art projects: congrats.
    .D. Over time, if you share those novels and art projects with others: bravo!

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    • khabira

      khabira 

      This actually works. I have done it about 29 years ago. It would be worth a try.

      posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Aunt L

    Aunt L 

    Patti, The advice of B. Fuddled & Lorraine is excellent. I have just a few thoughts...You might be a MIXED MEDIA artist. It isn't clear to me from what you wrote whether you have tried mixing things up. I am reading Mary Ann Beckwith's book [creative] Watercolor and am amazed at how many different approaches artists take. Your public library should be able to lend you a copy of that or a similar book. Perhaps you could SPREAD OUT YOUR VARIOUS MEDIA and see which ones speak to you. Also, have you tried COLLAGE (alone or with other media)? There is something freeing about collage, I think. Gerald Brommer wrote a fine book on that. Also, years ago an artist friend encouraged me to be more concerned about the PROCESS rather than the product (which is what B. is emphasizing, I think.) Do you want to TAKE A COURSE at a local art center or college? And do you have a NETWORK of fellow artists you can discuss this with? I hope so. It is also possible that ANOTHER MEDIUM such as gardening or fashion or dance or theater or writing or living itself might be your preferred medium--of course with an emphasis on the visual. Best wishes.

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  • Art Stark

    Art Stark 

    I think you’re on to something, Lady. The whole, ‘spreading out all your favorite toys’ thing sounds like a cool idea. And yeah, PROCESS. That sounds about right. Heck, I could have used the cliché about journeys and destinations, but PROCESS is nice and succinct (a quality I sorely lack). But more than process is the idea of putting together seemingly disparate variables into a pleasing idea. This usually happens best (for me) after constant, daily focus. So, focusing on various media or arranging and re-arranging art elements of a collage would probably get you on a good path. I think that’s why I like arranging a still life almost as much as I like drawing it.

    Uhm, so Patti… whaddyathink?

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    • khabira

      khabira 

      Multimedia sounds like it might work for you and at least be worth the investigation. I think taking some classes and finding out what makes your soul sing is a good idea. Try to find a way to get into the zone when you are doing your art. Mine is through music. I hope some of this helps you.

      posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Patti Q

    Patti Q 

    Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.
    I teach young kids and of course I KNOW it's all about the Process ... (Is there anything more fun than watching the joyous intensity of a little kid paint?) I have a hard time separating Process from Product when it comes to my personal art work. I want to do it well and I want it done Right Now! Kinda takes the fun out of it.
    Lorraine, you're so right about the 'fun' aspect of creating ... hard to have fun when the pressure's on.
    B. Fuddled - Love Love Love the list. It reads like a permission note to s l o w d o w n.
    I usually give myself a day or two, get to the 'silly and frustrated' part - then quit. This time I'll continue until the calm takes over.
    Are you a teacher as well as an artist? I'm interested in how you're able to have constant, daily focus.
    Lady, I think your suggestion about mixed-media is a good one. I draw, use clay, and work with fibers and fabric but don't really feel passionately about any one of them. Maybe combining ...
    Could I ask a question of each of you? Yes? Thanks. Did you have the infamous "AHA" moment when you knew you'd found the medium/technique/combo thing that you LOVED and couldn't wait to get up in the morning and do?
    PQ

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    • khabira

      khabira (edited)

      Done well and right now. OH, I have never felt that. LOL
      But the AHA came initially with my photography in 1980. I had the desire to prove I was real and what was around me was real. I am retired now with many chronic illnesses. Suddenly, I just knew I wanted to take art classes and I am working in acrylics and pastels. Training the photographers eye to see as a painter is challenging.
      but I am willing to rise to the occasion.

      posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Aunt L

    Aunt L 

    Patti, Mostly I see myself as exploring. I haven't really settled on "my medium". I have focused on watermedia--watercolor, intense liquid watercolor, w/c pencil & crayon, fluid acrylic, monotype printing using a gelatin plate & Grumbacher MAX paint. I love watercolor crayon. I was on an altered art kick over the winter. My best paintings lately are from doing exercises of Mary Todd Beam's "Creative Edge" & Rolina Vliet's "Painting Abstracts". I don't remember an AHA moment with watermedia; maybe I had something like one with altered art (books mainly). I am a retired librarian who wishes that she had become an art teacher. A reaction that I have with an artwork that I have made and really like is "I can't believe that I painted that"! Where it came from is a mystery to me. But, I know that making art has helped me to trust whoever I am and just go there. I wish that I drew more often. When I get up into the morning and fly to the studio--an altered bedroom--it feels more like I just want to dive into something. Reading about art technique & artist's lives can also start me working/playing. I also wish that I were slower in the process but my style seems to be to dive in in a fury. Maybe process does not have to be slow.?? One of the parts of B. Fuddled's list that I think helps a lot is:
    _2. Do not evaluate what you’ve done. Put it away.
    _3. Do not show what you’ve done. That wasn’t the point.
    Do you like raku, by any chance? I bought one piece of it and see it as a kind of melding of clay & fiber. Also: how about fiber/fabric pieces with clay things embedded or intertwined? Those you would use your drawing skill to sketch out/design?

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  • Art Stark

    Art Stark 

    Patti,
    Glad you liked the list. And yes, you can use it as your permission slip. Sort of a creativity doctor’s note… cool. Oh, and keep it up with the frustration! You haven’t lived until you’ve spent a good amount of time banging your head against the wall… err, maybe that’s not the way to sell it. On the other hand, maybe that’s the way the Muses set it all up; you know, kind of separates the folks who are in love with the idea of being an artist from those who actually are.

    I’m not a teacher; I’m just some guy. The daily focus is my thing. That is to say, “That B. Fuddled guy is a short, funny looking guy who’s a might too intense. We should turn the lights off and make like we’re not at home.” Focus can be a two-edged sword; and I can’t really turn mine off. Best to aim the focus at something positive.

    Little aha moments happen all the time; aha, everything feels right as I push the charcoal to imply the bark on the branch of the tree I’m sketching. Maybe those are more ahhh moments than aha moments, though. It’s that certain sense of relief that it’s all making sense at that moment.

    Big AHA moments are usually done in retrospect… AHA! Looking back I can see that’s the moment when that terrible thing happened, I bumped into someone who happened to say, so I bought this book, that began the journal, that had that doodle, that prompted me to make a sketch, that opened me up to the idea that perhaps all my art is simply the gathering of, and so I started a project that mushroomed into four ideas and now I can’t stop! Wow, seven years have passed.

    Medium is kinda not the point for me. When you build a house, you don’t focus on your hammer or decide you’re a screw driver person. You focus (that word again) on the house and what it takes to build it. Reminds me of them three pig fellows: a whole house of straw, a whole house of sticks; of bricks. Blech! Unless you’ve got a wolf in the neighborhood, what’s the point? I’m doing a still life right now that I see as being a watercolour wash (watercolour looks so much cooler in British!). But I’m pretty sure the figures I’ve drawn on my light box will be brush and ink; I mean, they just look that way… who am I to argue? Oh, and that tree in my sketch book looks so right as a pencil sketch, I’m sort of wary about developing it in color; unless I were to use a big brush and some acrylics; maybe get all textural and stuff (hmmm, I should write that down somewhere).

    Here’s me waking up in the morning: “Bother! You mean that was just a dream? Well, there had better be coffee!” That’s when I begin my morning routine which ends with me in the studio picking-up the threads of where I left-off yesterday. I always leave some threads dangling. After all, let’s face it! There’s all that morning mishigas in your head like; ‘fear of failure’ and ‘doubt’ and ‘who do you think you are, posing as artist-type person,’ and ‘why couldn’t you be more like your brother, the middle manager and when am I going to see some grandchildren and you can’t dream your life away and are you really going to wear that shirt?!’ Uhm… sorry. Anyway, no. No, I do not have any medium/technique/combo thingy that gets me out of bed in the morning.

    Lady, I totally get the ‘mystery’ vibe! If I can get the bossy part of my brain to shut-up (usually I occupy it with some music. The little bugger can be such a loud know-it-all, but it’s easily distracted) then I can just start drawing. Of course, once the song ends or whatever, I wake-up and realized what I’ve done. Then the bossy voice starts evaluating and asking how, exactly, did I do it so that I can do it again?! Which is followed by that cold, sweaty, queasy feeling of, I have no frikkin’ idea! All this ends one of two ways: I either revel in the mystery of it all and turn my iTunes back on, or, hours later my wife comes home to a dark house with me, huddled in the fetal position in a corner somewhere. I mean, I’m o.k. with either outcome, but one is definitely more productive than the other.

    Oh, oh!! And process need not be slow! Dive, baby! Slow can be read as relaxed, quiet mind, flow. Ya can’t breath easy, quiet your mind, flow, dive; if you’re all tense, jervous and nerky! Sing, dance, laugh… dive!

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  • MsNik@Nite

    MsNik@Nite 

    Patti,

    This may sound counter intuitive yet it might be worth giving it a try. How about doing something that is still creative but maybe a little challenging to you? By doing something like this, one may find things about herself that she didn't realize. For example, I recently took up salsa dancing which does not come to me naturally. By doing this, I found myself exploring other creativity outlets that I never considered before, i.e. creating and designing my own pottery. Just a thought!

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  • khabira

    khabira 

    Very good suggestion.

    posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Aunt L

    Aunt L 

    Patti, How's your search going?

    posted 3 months ago. ( reply )
  • Patti Q

    Patti Q 

    Hey all -
    This is the first September in several years that i'm not going back-to-school thinking "What a waste. I haven't had a creative moment in 2 months".

    I'm glad I asked for help.
    The best advise is so simple ... 'get in there, sit down and just do it'.
    The 'It' has included buying some very cool yarn, unearthing the old (antique?) carved wood textile stamps that I inherited from a woman who taught for many years in Iran, and the daily sketchbook which has several recurring images, including self-portrait - go figya - not a theme I ever thought I'd be interested in (I wish I'd developed the interest BEFORE I developed these little crinkly things around my eyes ...). It doesn't seem to matter so much that I have no idea where, if anywhere, this will lead. Just doing what I'm doing is enough.

    Reading Steven Pressfield's book 'War of Art' was an eye-opener (thanks, B. Fuddled for the nudge in that direction). The next time I'm stuck I'll give that enemy of ceativity, Resistance, a boot out the door, tell that critical voice in my head to Shut Up, then sit down and do my work.

    Thank you.

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  • MsNik@Nite

    MsNik@Nite 

    Patti,

    I am glad that we could all help with our various suggestions! Yay!

    posted 3 months ago. ( reply )
  • pampe

    pampe 

    I have gone from pure watercolor, to oils, to pastel, collage and jewelry......I now feel the urge to mix it all up. Not sure that's progress.

    posted 3 months ago. ( reply )
  • Kay H

    Kay H 

    Patti,

    I haven't read all the comments, but the few I did offer great suggestions. I've been in the creative industry for many years now, and get stuck (like we all do!) on this issue of "voice" from time to time. I will add here in reference to your questions regarding soul, spirit and voice because I believe this is indeed a critical part of the creative life.

    With your wonderful example of an intent child painting, we must be like those children ourselves, too! The child, for example, is not deliberating over "why" they're doing what they're doing - they are participating with the "spirit" or the "soul" in a way that is absolutely true. One of the most beautiful sounds to my ears is that of a loving enthusiastic child singing terribly off-key. Or when a child gives me a drawing they made especially with me in mind complete with sloppily painted dried macaroni. They are offerings of love!

    In order to define what "voice" means, it is a matter of striking a particular note that is Truth. Blaise Pascal said something along the lines of "the role of the artist is to find God's hiding place."

    Creativity is a constantly moving "thing" and what one must develop is commitment, and refinement of craftsmanship. The true artist is the lover. It is not love for the object, the self, or the capture, as these things are not love but obsession. It's love for the participation; the discovery of the cultivation of the dream into the reality and nurturing it through repeated acts of dedication.

    The artist loves many a subject matter, but it's through the openness and participation in the process that yields fullness. ie., Michelangelo's statement "I saw the angel in the marble and I carved until I set him free." The angel is not ended in a piece of stone. It is an offering of love, ad infinitum!

    Another example -- a "true" chef is actually not offering a delicious meal - the food is merely an instrument inside of ongoing dream of offering love and sharing joy. And part of the chef's "voice" is through food. Therefore, in order to share love through food, the chef realizes they must continue to seek and essentially "fall in love" with the vast array of possibilities, dedicate time to the craft and keep doing it, and trying new things.

    We're groomed to think we're to be these boxed-in one-trick ponies, when that's not only counter to the creative process, but human nature. My sentiments rest in the Renaissance - the masters of the era were not "one" thing alone. Their exploration and devotion to taking on a variety of media was an understanding that the true creative process is what's defined as the endless search of Truth!

    "Our hearts are restless Lord until they rest in Thee" - St. Augustine of Hippo.

    St. Thomas Aquinas, after having written mountains of discourses on God, at the end of his life said "All my works seem like straw after what I have seen."

    posted 3 months ago. ( reply )
  • Aunt L

    Aunt L 

    How are you doing, Patti?

    posted 2 months ago. ( reply )
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