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  • A. R. Muir

    Old cases, new theories

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    Okay, so I just downloaded an audiobook: O. J. Is Innocent and I Can Prove It more because I was interested in the controversy rather than believing the premise (by hey, I'll try to keep an open mind). As the title suggests it is a *new* investigation of the O.J. Simpson case, and supposedly suggests a new perpetrator (we shall see...). Also I recently bought the audiobook of A Wilderness of Error by Erroll Morris, which is about the Jeffrey MacDonald case (see Fatal Vision). The Morris book actually led me to review my conviction that MacDonald was guilty (as I was about 80% convinced) which is a big turn around. I was wondering if you guys have any examples of books (especially recent ones) that have made you question or revise old cases?
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  • A. R. Muir

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    Oh dear... so far the author (private investigator William Dear) has admitted to jumping the fence on Nichole Simpson's property, and walking up to the house to re-enact in his mind the thoughts and actions of the killer. This could not have been much after the murders because he says there was still a pool of dried blood on the steps. I am now hoping this book is not a lemon...

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    Read on the internet the other day that Steve Hodel might be closer to proving that his dad was the Black Dahlia Killer. As some of you may recall, when I read the book by Steve Hodel I was not convinced. I still wonder why he is so intent on throwing his dad under the bus. Is it for the 15 minutes of fame? His dad has been dead for a while so proving he's a cold blooded killer doesnt really help anything except that maybe this very famous (or infamous) case can be put to rest.

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    • Eileen M

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      But isn't he also trying to prove that his dad is the Zodiac and maybe a few other uncaught chuckleheads as well?

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    • koren56

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      I believe you're right Eileen.

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    • A. R. Muir

      A. R. Muir 

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      Black Dahlia killer... maybe. Zodiac.... yeah right!

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie

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      Well, he already had 5 minutes of his 15 so now he has 10 minutes of fame left.

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    • Eileen M

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      This is turning into a looooooong 15 minutes. I rather wonder whether when he meets his maker, his dad will be waiting for him outside the Pearly Gates holding a board with a nail through it.

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    • Eileen M

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      Someone on City-Data informs me that Hodel believes his father performed an abortion on his sister, the baby being dear old dad's. Finally, a reason this guy hated his old man so much. I wonder, however, if he ever ASKED his sister what happened.

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    • K. A. Krisko

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      OK, gross. Did the sister survive?

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    • Eileen M

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      I have no idea. I had a hard time getting through his 1st book and have not braved volumes 2 and 3. And it may not even be in any of those books -- it may be in Volume 4 when THAT comes out. :)

      The thing is, this may be like Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer or Chip St. Clair claiming that his dad is the Oakland County Child Killer. If you hated and feared your dad, maybe he seemed capable of anything. Including a lot of stuff he never did.

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    • A. R. Muir

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      I finished his second book in audio form. It was acutally resonably entertaining. Although I still remain unconvinced.
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    • A. R. Muir

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      Steve hodel's first Black Dahlia book was just released in audio form. It's 17 hours long! I'm assuming it will include both Black Dahlia Avenger Parts I and II. I've got a credit so I'll probably get it. His Second book was entertaining enough and I never got around to his first one.

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  • Eileen M

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    While the conclusions in Jack The Ripper: The Final Solution by Stephen Knight are pretty implausible, the book still changed my mind about Jack the Ripper. It opened my mind to new ways to think about the case and drew my attention to issues that other authors ignore so completely I never knew they existed: why DIDN'T anyone, at any killing, hear a struggle? If Liz Stride and Cathy Eddowes were killed by the same person -- and they were found 15 minutes apart -- how could a crazyman travelling on foot possibly pull it off that quickly, at that distance, without being seen? Why are there so many completely different descriptions of the last man seen with each victim?

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    • A. R. Muir

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      Eileen, of all the books about JTR I don't think I've read The Final Solution I'll have to check to see if my library has it.

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    • Eileen M

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      It's a wonderful read.

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  • Eileen M

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    Dr. Sam Sheppard On Trial is supposed to be based on "new" evidence in the case.
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    • A. R. Muir

      A. R. Muir 

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      Hasn't he died of old age yet? I will have to look at the book as the case has always baffled me.
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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie

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      Yes A.R., you would think he died of old age by now? Wow...
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    • Eileen M

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      Oh, I'm pretty sure he's dead, yes.
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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad

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      For over 40 years he's been dead.

      But didn't Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee Jones clear his name?
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    • A. R. Muir

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      Oh, was that the Fugitive film?
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    • K. A. Krisko

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      Yep, just substitute "one-armed man" for "bushy-haired man". And I don't think Dr. Shepard made a successful leap off a dam, either...
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    • Eileen M

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      Neither did Charles Stuart. I guess he landed wrong.
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  • Eileen M

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    I read in a totally unrelated book -- called Mistakes Were Made (But Not By ME) -- that new evidence has surfaced in the years since Brad Page was convicted of murdering Bobbie Lee, who you can read about in The Dead Girl by Melanie Thernstrom. Apparently someone came forward later to say they saw two men wrestling Bobbie into a van by the side of the road, and neither of them was Brad Page.

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  • Eileen M

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    What do people think of the theory that Wayne Williams was not only innocent of the murders of all those children in Atlanta, but of the murders he was legally convicted of -- Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Ray Price? Camille Bell, the mother of murdered Atlanta preteen Yusef Bell, described Williams as "inncocent, but stupid." I think the fiber evidence against him was pretty compelling, personally. But closing the books on all those clearly-unrelated child killings was crazy, in my opinion.

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    • A. R. Muir

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      I agree with you about the fiber evidence Eileen. However, yes, there was so many poor children dead, it strains credulity that they were all Williams' work. Especially the girl(s?) who were killed. I think his victim type was definitly young boys, so she remains a big question. It's a travesty that they didn't investigate all the murders. I don't think it would happen these days. I have yet to find a really good book about the Atlanta murders. Most of my knowledge comes from John Douglas' memoirs.

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    • Eileen M

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      The one you want to read then is The List by Chet Dettlinger. It's excellent.

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    • A. R. Muir

      A. R. Muir 

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      Awesome! I'll look out for it!

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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad

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      Don't forget the biggest thing, his name is Wayne.

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