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  • Eileen M

    Hideous Crime-Scene Photos

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    I just thought it would be fun to list some books that offer us a feast for the eyes and the gag reflex:

    The Shadow Over Santa Susana, by Adam Gorightly, has grisly photos of the results of the Manson murders that are entirely new to me. Bring the Pepto-Bismol when you read this one.

    Death Scenes is simply that: a homicide detective's private collection of death-scene photos, often with macabre little captions by the compiler, Jack Huddleston. Edited by Katherine Dunn.

    Without Sanctuary, James Allen. A collection of lynching photos. 'Nuff said.

    Shots In The Dark: True Crime Pictures, Gail Buckland.

    Deadly Intent, Stanley Burns. Crime-scene and related photos from the Burns Archive.

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  • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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    Eileen,

    I think I love you.

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  • koren56
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    Not too long ago I read one that had a couple of gruesome pictures but I cant remember the name of it.

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  • Carolyn
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    The Black Dahlia was alittle much and there are some others...just need to think about it.....

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    • Eileen M
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      Ah, but which book on the Black Dahlia? There are so very many...

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  • Grace W
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    Here's a website someone sent me.. Has quite a lot of grisly photos from well known cases.

    http://vanessawest.tripod.com/crimescenephotos.html

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    • Carolyn
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      *sigh* I must be getting old....I went to the link but couldn't bring myself to open one picture.......

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    • koren56
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      Those pictures are not for the faint of heart. I wish I wouldnt have looked at them. Especially Dahmer's. Ugh!

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    • Eileen M
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      And remember -- that was his idea of going on a date!

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    • koren56
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      Oh god! Did you look at those Eileen? One of the pictures looked like a deer carcas! I'm going to have ngihtmares about that one.

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    • Eileen M
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      I can't look at those pictures at work but I have seen them at other times. Maybe this weekend.

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    • Eileen M
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      Finally got a chance to look at these today. Grisly!

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    • ualawruh
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      thank you:] im new.

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  • Lee B
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    I personally don't know why you'd want to look at these pictures. That's a little disturbing to me. To read about is one thing, but look at the pictures.....not me.

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    • Eileen M
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      I feel it helps me understand what the killer is thinking. And it's reassuring to see the immense gulf between me and a guy like Jeff Dahmer. Some of the photos also give me an idea of whether the guy made his victim suffer or not, and if the answer is the latter I also feel a little better.

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  • koren56

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    The pictures are bad enough. I cant help but wonder at the poor people who found the victims.

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    • Carolyn
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      True...that has got to be hard. Very hard.

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    • Eileen M
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      Remember the famous story of the cop who opened Dahmer's refrigerator? he saw someone's head in there and at the same time he heard someone scream. Only later did he realize that he himself was the one who'd screamed.

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      I read the TruTV account of Richard Speck, the officers were teasing the reporter who was outside the house puking, saying he was getting soft. Then after they went in the house they came out and starting puking beside him.

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    • Eileen M
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      he who lives in a glass abbatoir, etc

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  • SouthWestZippy
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    I can't and will not look at pictures crimes scenes of children.

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    • Eileen M
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      Then don't read Broken Doll by Burl Barer.

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    • SouthWestZippy
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      I own it but was already warned to skip the pictures. Thanks Eileen

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    • Eileen M
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      It ain't Shakespeare, either, frankly.

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    • Carolyn

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      I had that book...couldn't read it...I don't know why because I've read some books that involved children (Fatal Vision, Small Sacrifices) but sometimes I can't bring myself to read them.

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    • koren56
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      ****running to find my copy of Broken Doll****

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    • Eileen M
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      I knew I could count on you, Koren!

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    • koren56
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      I am sure I have this book but I cant find it.

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    • Eileen M
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      So I guess I can count on you, but not your cataloguing system!

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    • koren56
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      Guess not!

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    • koren56
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      Ok, I just had to get that book Broken Doll. Received it today and the first thing I did was flip to the pictures to see what you all were talking about. That does have to rank right up there in the top 5 grossest pictures ever.

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    • Eileen M
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      Have you seen the morgue photo of poor Voytek Frykowski? Dr. Noguchi said that he never saw so much violence inflicted on a single person.

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      No I havent. Is that in a book?

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Eileen, what is the name of the book about Voytek Frykowski?

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    • Eileen M

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      The morgue photo I am thinking of is found in The Shadow Over Santa Susana by Adam Gorightly. The crime-scene photo of Gibby Folger, his girlfriend, is also quite hideous. You can see why they took the actual figures out of the photos with an X-acto knife before putting those photos in Helter Skelter...and why they used black and white, not color reproductions.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Got it Eileen and thanks so much! I will put it on my list.

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    • SouthWestZippy
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      Ok I take back part of what I said. I was talking to hubby about crime scene pictures and he reminded me that I have looked at them with Children in them because I have commented on them to him. I guess I have a selective memory. "sigh" Getting old stinks.

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    • Eileen M
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      But it shows you're tougher than you think you are!

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Eileen, which of the books listed above could I get so I can see if I am as tough as Zippy...lol. just teasing you Zippy!....

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    • SouthWestZippy
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      Yes it does Eileen.

      Gezzz Rita LOL I worrie about you.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Oh Zippy, you are so sweet....thanks for the heads-up. I get a little silly sometimes and then get carried away. lol

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  • Eileen M
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    Bound To Die by Anna Flowers has some nasty photos. Only the one of Kim Hopp is really bad.

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  • Raspberrymocha55
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    I am a wuss. Back in high school, I remember seeing photos from a book on Eddy Gein (sp) of a woman dressed and hanging as deer in his barn...nope, I don't care for that stuff. I would have made a bad cop or CSI type person.

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    • koren56
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      Uh oh! I'm reading about Eddie Gein now and I havent looked at the pictures yet.

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    • Carolyn
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      I read about him years ago....creepy...unbelievably creepy. I believe "Texas Chainsaw", parts anyway, were from him....

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    • Eileen M
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      It was based on him. So were Norman Bates and Buffalo Bill.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      I read about him years ago as well and if I can find the book about Eddie Gein, I would read it again.

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    • koren56

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      At the end of the Harold Schecter book it says he wrote a novel entitled Outcry that was based on Eddie Gein.

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    • Eileen M
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      I have Outcry by haven't read it yet.

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    • Raspberrymocha55
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      Good old Eddie was the stuff of legend in Wisc. Of course, "everyone" knew someone who had been offered "venison or ground beef" by Eddie. Yum.

      The book I was thinking of was written by the trial judge, I think. It has to be at least 40 years old, as I read it in high school.

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    • Eileen M

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      That's the one I read, too. Judge Gollmar.

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  • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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    Its on my list now.

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  • Eileen M
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    The best photos I ever saw of the crime scenes in Eddie Gein's farmhouse were in the slideshow presented by Robert Ressler at the Forensic Center in Ypsilanti, but in book format the worst photos are in Judge Gollmar's version of the story. Poor Bernice!

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  • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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    Wow...Robert Ressler was at your home town centre? Awesome, that must have been fascinating to watch Eileen! I haven't read a book on Gein written
    by a judge so I will check it out. Thanks Eileen!

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      He signed my copy of his book, Whoever Fights Monsters. He didn't finish answering my question because he had to get on a plane to interview Andrei Chikatilo.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Rats, too bad he couldn't finish answering your question Eileen but at least you got his autograph.

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  • Eileen M

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    Koren, could the recent book with the grim photos have been the one you read about the Wonderland murders?

    The site Grace W provided above -- which I loved, BTW -- heh heh heh -- had some hideous photos of the Wonderland crime scene, so it made me wonder.

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      I dont remember the pcitures in The Wonderland Murders being too gross. I was disappointed she didnt have a good picture of her boyfriend though. **wink, wink***

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Yipee...thanks Koren! I just bought The Wonderland Murders so I will check it out when I read it!!!!

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  • Eileen M
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    OK, speaking of specific photos now. Has anyone ever seen anything WORSE than the crime-scene photo of Mary Jane Kelly as Jack the Ripper left her? As blurry and over-exposed as it was -- holy crap.

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    Oh, here's a fun fact. You know all those newspaper illustrations -- not photos but engravings -- that people associate with the news coverage of Jack the Ripper? It turns out, as I learned from watching the DVD extras on From Hell, that all those engravings came from The Illustrated Police News, which is the source of every article and illustration in the delightful collection called 'Orrible Murder.

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  • Eileen M
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    I forgot to mention The First Waco Horror by Patricia Bernstein. Some very nasty photos in there.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Would you recommend the book Eileen, nasty photos and all?

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    • Eileen M
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      Oh, it's very good.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Wow, that looks might good. I read about Waco and the book was riveting but that was years ago. Now it's on my shelf. Thanks Eileen!

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    • Eileen M
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      This is not about the Branch Davidians; this was years before that.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      It must be a very interesting read about the years leading up to the horrible end. Thanks Eileen.

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  • Eileen M
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    I was at my first session today and a kid pulled up a photo of what's left of the face-eating victim. It made me think of Mason Verger in Hannibal. The poor man is just a gory skull wearing a beard. Even his eyes are gone.

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    • koren56
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      Ewwwww!

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    • Eileen M
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      Here's a more recent one, with some healing but not nearly enough reconstruction done yet:

      http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/06/13/281372.jpg

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Oh my goodness, I guess they have to wait a bit for more healing before they do additional reconstruction. How horrible...

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  • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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    OMG...........!

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  • Eileen M

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    I just want to note that Jack the Ripper: First American Serial Killer has the clearest reproduction I have ever seen of Mary Jane Kelly's horrid death poto. It also has a bonus photo of the giblets Jack removed from her and piled on the end table next to the bed.

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  • Eileen M
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    Koren makes it sound as if Delivered From Evil by Ron Franscell might be a good candidate.

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  • Eileen M
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    They're not as horrible as they might be, but a lot of the photo section in Angel Of Darkness by Dennis McDougal are crime-scene shots of the victims. They don't show the poor man whose eye color couldn't be detected because of what the killer did to them with the lit end of a cigarette.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Eileen, remember the man on the bridge who was attacked by a mentally challenged fellow who ate his face? Well, I saw the picture
      of his face in colour and I was wondering if this victim in Angel Of Darkness looked similiar?

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    • Eileen M
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      Oh, no. Nothing that they showed in the book, anyway.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Oh ok Eileen, thanks!

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  • Eileen M
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    I wish I could remember the title of the one that showed the dead prostitutes as they were found and photographed on the scene. I remember the one that showed this poor woman splayed out by the curb with her arms flung thisaway and her legs pointing thataway. It irritates me every time I think of it because the text described her as being found in "the fetal position," when it is closer to what you would call a spread-eagle. Does anyone know which title I am referring to?

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  • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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    I remember seeing pictures of women who were cut in half and it showed the head and torso and further along the lower part of her body. It
    wasn't in colour but still awful.

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  • Raspberrymocha55
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    I can't read the books with grissely photos. Makes me sick to think of what some of those victims felt before death finally released them from their agony.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      Rasp...I hear yah! The one that stunned me was what happened in The Circle Of Fire. It was sickening to read and so
      was the outcome. I recommend it but it is very sad.

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    • Eileen M
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      A lot of these people make sure the victim is dead first. Even they can't stomach it!

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  • A. R. Muir
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    http://murderpedia.org/index.htm contains the most comprehensive collection of true crime case photos I've found. Not for the squeemish.

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  • Eileen M
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    Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters by Peter Vronsky has some very grisly crime-scene photos, including, I should warn you, of children.

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    http://pinterest.com/cpfrey1949/murderers-serial-killers-victims/

    This is a Google search result -- all kindsa hideous photos, from the earthly remains of Sharon Tate to what was left of Carl Poppo's face after that guy on acid chewed most of it off. Also more than a few photos of the lawless perpetrators, including two that make me realize for the first time how much Harvey Glatman and Joachim Kroll looked alike. Not important to anyone but me, I'm sure...

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    • A. R. Muir
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      what a collection! Many I haven't seen before.

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    • A. R. Muir
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      And also how many Charles Manson lookalikes there are!

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      Wow! It would take hours to read all of that information!
      Why do I find it humorous that the top heading says 'organize and share things you love' and then the next line says 'murderers, serial killers, and victims'?
      I also found it interesting that there were several people who 'technically' have never been found guilty- O.J. and Casey Anthony, for instance.

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      Yeah, I guess that pinster is going with the verdict of history.

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      Saddam's out of place. I scanned with eyes. The word that kept appearing? Cannibalism! Something to chew over....

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  • Eileen M
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    Speaking of hideous crime-scene photos, I looked up Tamerlan Tsarnaev's date of death and found quite a grisly snapshot of him on the autopsy table. I thought he was in a shootout -- what were they shooting at him? Meat cleavers?

    Not for the faint of heart: http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/article_pics/suspect-corpse.jpg

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    • F.W. Trotzsche
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      Weird to have a shot of the body so soon isn't it? No doubt hoping to allay 'conspiracy' theories but managing to increase them.

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    • koren56
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      The big cuts on his side dont look like bullet holes or from scalpels.

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    • Raspberrymocha55
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      Yuk.

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    • CrimeSleuthJunkie
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      They look like chunks bitten out of him.

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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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      He was run over by his brother after he was shot.

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    • Eileen M
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      What!? Deliberately?

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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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      According to police they were trying to get the older brother who was shot but not dead into custody when the younger brother in his attempt to escape ran over the older brother and killed him. It doesn't appear likely to be a deliberate act.

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      Wow, so on top of being shot by the plice himself, he has to feel terrible about killing his brother. What a bind!

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    I knew this guy who was something of an artist years back. He worked in acrylics mainly. Anyway being slightly obsessive-compulsive he generally worked on series of paintings. one particular series was a set of crime-scene images. He said he wanted to distill the apparent relaxation within the image into a focal point with the viewer to cause them to divest of any notions of retro-morality. He had completed 3 such pictures. A fairly grainy reproduction of the slanted crime-scene photo of Sutcliffe's first suspected victim Wilma McCann. Then he made a half size print of the most famous crime-scene image, Mary Kelly, but reduced the image to sections of immediate colour, primarily black & white. I only saw the 3rd in the series before he left for downunder. This was the crime-scene photo of Mackay's priest victim reproduced in Tullett's Clues to Murder. I don't know how he done it but he made the original photograph appear like the impression. I tried to find the photo on the net but without luck and I lost Tullett's book in a disaster. It all reminded me of Donald Rumbelow's experience with the "ripperologist" and their models albeit my artist friend was the most jovial of types with the blackest of humours.

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    • Eileen M
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      Maybe he's a reincarnation of Walter Sickert! I would love to see those paintings...

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    • F.W. Trotzsche
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      He never had the beard to be a Sickert ;) You reminded me of Cornwell and a programme I watched promoting her Sickert theory. I shiver. At the end with her voice insisting we see Sickert as the ripper because of his evil eyes as the camera pans in askew. Frankly embarrassing. I know two of the pictures have become lost in time but the Mary Kelly can be found, possibly, and if I can borrow an "image" I will somehow post it but not for some time I think. Sickert is a curious character and we here, through your post, were reminded of the use of Munch's 'Night in St Cloud" as a cover to a Penguin edition of Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde. Sickert's Camden town murder picture though lacking the finese and introspection of the Munch shares a certain affinity by its natural inclusion of the archetypically-perceived image of the Whitechapel Murderer. I, for one, never ever imaged the killer of Mary Kelly sitting on her bed and pondering his crime. For me it is showboating of the kind one has become familiar with since the 1950s whereby killers hope to instill by the victim a statement of hidden depth but only managing to demonstrate the warped satisfaction of a disordered and bitter mind.

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    • Eileen M
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      Check out Sickert's Camden Town Nudes series -- the one on the cover of the book is in exactly the same pose on her bed as Mary Jane Kelly. It's on our shelf here...

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    • A. R. Muir
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      When did Sickert paint the series? Is it resonable to speculate that he saw the photos as we have seen them and then painted his impression? I think he is doubtful as a suspect. Still, I would not like to have been alone in a room with him.

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    • Eileen M

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      The case file was sealed until after Sickert died and I have no idea whether he could have gotten access to the crime-scene photos. but the reporters and police communicated very differently in those days and for all I know he arranged to sit in on the inquest. I believe the Camden Town Nudes were done in about the ten years or so following the Ripper murders.

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      Sickert wanted to detail the "nude" in a natural setting which incurred the displeasure of his peers. The models used by the established school artists would never allow their selves to be caught and scandalised by such art and invariably Sickert would use, for a price, the right kind of lady to pose for him thereby avoiding any scandal attaching to his sitters. Sickert, because of the treatment his "gaudy-dark-decadent" works brought, found the idea of depicting murder as a consequence of the pressing needs of a world wrapped in poverty and hypocrisy. If anything Sickert, part decadent, is near Marxist. The depiction of the crime, with remorse, comes from a set he produced around 1908 but there is a picture he titled "Jack the ripper's bedroom" after hearing a tale told:

      http://lecoupfatal.tumblr.com/post/30450932946/jack-the-rippers-bedroom-by-walter-sickert

      (thats from someone's tumblr page)

      Like everyone in London the Whitechapel murders intrigued all. Sickert by his association with the underbelly of the city had a keen interest in the affair, and with murder in general. The "victim" in the Camden set is seen in various positions with particular distortion to the features and placement. One may surmise from Sickert's sketcvh studies that he was keen to depersonalise the "victim" and "killer" for it is the content that challenges the viewer, primarily the question posed in some of the suggested titles about the payment for the rent.

      Sickert is interesting but no more than that. Nothing worse than supposition by circumstantial suggestiveness. Now if you really want to talk about who really was Saucy Jack, hows about the double act of Stoker & Irving and I thought I was tongue-in-cheek till I looked!

      The Dracula Secrets: Jack the Ripper and the Darkest Sources of Bram Stoker by historian Neil Storey (its Tumblety!) ;p

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    • F.W. Trotzsche
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      @A.R.Muir, don't worry so, Walter would only have painted you ;)

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  • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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    According to police they were trying to get the older brother who was shot but not dead into custody when the younger brother in his attempt to escape ran over the older brother and killed him. It doesn't appear likely to be a deliberate act.

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    I wanted to add that there are a few hideous crime-scene photos in Thirteen Girls. They are almost thumbnail-sized, but the horror conveyed by the pools of blood on the floor of the townhouse where the Nine Nurses were killed comes across clearly, and you get just enough of a peek into the back of Joel Rifkin's pickup to know what you are looking at -- or I should say who. (Tiffany Bresciani, to be exact.)

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    Ok this question fits this tread so here it is.
    Do you recall your first shocking, gruesome picture or pictures?
    If so was it from a book, newspaper or other and what was it of?

    Mine was the pictures of the Lizzie Borden crime but for the life of me I can't recall the book.

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      I do, but its not crime related. I still have the pictures. When I was 16 a classmate of mine and 2 teenage boys she was with had been drinking, ran a stop sign and were hit by a semi. They were all dead at the scene. It was front page on the newspaper with 3 photos. One of the photos showed the top of my classmates bloody head hanging out the car window and another had one of the boys arms hanging out a window. The newspaper got lots of letters to the editor complaining about the graphic pictures. I heard the photographer thought he needed to send a message about teenage drinking.

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      Wow...Koren! That would be a lot to process at that age. Very interesting and also that photographer was ahead of his game.

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      YES WOW! I can understand both sides. Yes a message needs to be sent about drinking and driving but to put a picture on the front page, gezzzz not a smart move.
      To many young ones that are not able to handle seeing something like that read and look at newspapers.

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      I'm curious about what year that was, Koren -- they are usually so careful not to show anything in the papers now that might upset someone and lose them a subscriber. The owner of the paper or the chief editor, not the photographer, is normally the one who makes that call.

      I have the impression that the first really shocking photos I ever saw were in the photo section of Helter Skelter -- you know, the ones with the bodies X-acto'd out of the crime-scene pictures. They were horrifying enough that way -- worse than the whole picture in a way, because it implied that the full sight would be beyond anyone's ability to tolerate.

      Funny this question should come up today. I noticed today that everywhere I went in the car, there was a different Sebring Limited in front of me. That model, of course, is named after the same Florida auto race that John Kummer named himself after before being killed by the Mansons. Jay Sebring is buried just a few miles from here in Southfield, MI. Once I finally saw the full photos of the Polanski residence crime scene, I realized that Jay Sebring's photo was the worst of all -- he was subjected to a lot less violence than any other victim inside the house, but the way Tex Watson kicked his face in (postmortem) made it the hardest for me to deal with, personally.

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      Wow Eileen, I read Helter Skelter and was struck by the cruelty of the Manson lot.

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      Eileen, you are right. They would never be able to show that in the newspaper these days. I had to look it up in my yearbook as there is a dedication page to her there. I was wrong. I wasnt 16, I was 14. The year was 1971. ( I think you just wanted to know how old I was didnt you! LOL!!!)

      Couldnt we go on and on talking about things that were done back then that we cant do now.

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      I read Helter Skelter way back when it first came out so I dont remember the pictures, but I just saw a show on one of the crime networks a couple of weeks ago about the Manson Women. They showed some pretty graphic photos of the crime scene. The murderers took the blood and smeared it all over the house. Ugh!

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      Wowza! Good words. I never recovered from seeing the murder scene photos of Marilyn Sheppard. At an early age the fragility hit me like a rock lobbed by a stranger from behind a bush. Someone has just shouted "Gimme mice!" A wise guy lol

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      I've never seen Marilyn Sheppard's death scene.

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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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      Not true crime but when I took driver's ed we watched a film with accidents that showed the injuries of the kids driving. It was pretty graphic. I remember one scene they were carrying this boy up on a stretcher and his head was covered in blood. Then he picked his head up. Everyone jumped, we all thought he was dead. The teacher told us it was a lot milder than the one they used to show LOL

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      Hi Eileen. I can not remember the book but it was a hardback of infamous murders - actually quite a good read with a brilliant picture of Sam Sheppard I can't locate anywhere. The below link has one of the pictures. Although I've become jaded with time just seeing that image again made I grimace.

      http://krazykillers.wordpress.com/tag/diane-downs/

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      Yeah, that's pretty nasty.

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      I would get flash-backs if I saw this boy pick his head up. YIKES

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      I saw a movie called Mechanized Death on the last day of driver's ed in 1979 -- a few weeks before the murder of Mrs. Clyne by Coral Watts, BTW -- and I can still remember the state trooper fishing the limp body of that baby out of the wreckage of that car, then wandering off into the tall grass to cry because he had a baby the same age.

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      Ahhhhh....Eileen that is so sad! This state trooper will carry that and a lot more evil things with him that he will never forget.

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      An image that has stuck with me- a coworker that was taking an EMT course showed me a pic in his book of someone that had been in an accident that had one eye hanging down their cheek. Didnt entice me to be an EMT one bit.

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      If you ever need help with your diet, try Medicolegal Investigation of Death some time. Yeeeeeccccccch.

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      wow...I it must be very powerful!

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    • A. R. Muir
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      Eileen, I cringe everytime I open my infections diseases text book!

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      Wait a minute South West Zippy, do you mean he was an EMT worker who kept a book of crash pictures, or it was an EMT manual? Because that sounds creepy!

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      HUH A. R. Muir. I think you should be directing this question to Koren. :0)

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  • Eileen M

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    Murder Next Door by Baumann and O'Brien has a photo section, and some of those included definitely qualify as hideous crime-scene photos. Again, you can lay most of it at the door of good old Clarence Walker, man about town and serial killer.

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      I got this one as an audiobook, so I missed out on the pictures! That's the worst thing about audiobooks, they don't give you a picture download.

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    • Bel ~ Fearless Leader Angharrad
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      I have the same problem with e-books. Either they don't have the photos or they are so small I can't see them very well.

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      Agree!

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    There are a few nasty photos in Dying To get Married by Ellen Harris. And one in By Persons Unknown: The Strange Death Of Christine Demeter.

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      Ahhhhh... that sounds like it needs to be checked out. Are they good TC reads Eileen?

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      They are both really good -- the first one I mentioned is excellent. In a grim way.

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      Great....I don't mind grim. I will be getting these new books on my next wish list along with a trillion others. I need two heads and 3 sets of eyes!

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