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  • Bennnc63

    MEMBER INTRODUCTIONS

    Please introduce yourself to the group. Feel free to include your reading preferences, and how you came to be intrested in the Arthurian legends.

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  • Bennnc63

    Bennnc63 

    My name is Ben, and I am a book lover, history lover, and an Arthurian lover. I am mostly retired, and I have so enjoyed my new freedom to read more books than ever before. My love of Arthur began the summer I was 10 years old, and has continued for the last 55 years. I look forward to sharing with everyone the information, ideas, and romance of all things Arthur.

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  • bookwormerin

    bookwormerin 

    Hi I'm Erin. I am a history/law lover and fasinated with Arthurian legend ever since I read Mists of Avalon years ago.

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  • mossflower

    mossflower 

    Hi my name is sue and like Ben I am a book lover, history lover, and an Arthurian lover. I to learned to love Arthur as a child as having five brothers we had alot of boy adventure stories especially Arthur, Ivanhoe, William Tell, Robinhood etc. I probably fell in love like the Lady of Shallot with Lancelot, for his bravery and later at the old age of 12 years found the Grail stories whilst discovering religion. My passion for history by then was brimming over as I tried to find the geographical places that fitted with the story and the real people of the tales until at university being told that Arthur was not real------ how awful I thought to have told us that---- we all need our myths and legendary hero's. Arthur is still one of mine. I love how Arthur has developed from the Celtic, pagan oral stories and been incorporated into the Christian chivalric ones of the High Middle Ages.
    I am looking forward to meeting all the members of this group and hearing your experiences with Arthur.

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  • howard1004

    howard1004 

    I'm Logan. I was captivated by the idea of knights at an early age. I know the reality of medieval life was often far from the romanticized picture we get from literature but I like to think that there were some knights that were every bit the champions of good that I imagined then.

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  • Karen H

    Karen H 

    I'm Karen. I have always loved the stories of the Middle Ages. They fascinated me as a child and still do. Over the years I have learned a bit more, and find it even more interesting. I am not as articulate as others here, but I hope to be able to contribute something to the discussions.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      welcome Karen, all contributions welcomed

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    • candace_redinger

      candace_redinger 

      I feel the same as Karen. I feel like I learn a lot from this group but don't feel as articulate as others. But I guess we sort of already had this discussion, didn't we?

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      You ladies surely are not reading "my" post. And I know that I have read a number of post in other groups by the both of you and you are certainly as articulate as I :) Enough of that, just jump in and say what you like. If you notice as many of my post are questions not comments. Thats because my intrest in Arthur is far deeper than my knowledge of the subject. So loosen up a little and just enjoy :)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      I agree with Ben. this is a fun group

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    • Karen H

      Karen H 

      Yes Ben, I will jump in with both feet and make a splash! lol

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Great splash Karen.

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    • Karen H

      Karen H 

      As a child, belly flops were my speciality.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Thats not a problem, remember there were those kids who would never jump :)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      They did not know what they missed

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    • Karen H

      Karen H 

      I remember the fun (ouch) of the belly flops! lol But, I will stick foot in mouth and continue on.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      brave girl

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  • candace_redinger

    candace_redinger 

    I'm a little late here, but I'm Candace and I have always loved the middle ages. The Mists of Avalon is my all time favorite and since I've found more Arthur books. Some good, some not so good. I really love the middle ages and wish I had more time to read because I just don't have time to read all these books! It's especially hard now with two little ones!

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    • howard1004

      howard1004 

      Welcome Candace!

      I'm the same way. I find that audio-books can sometimes help to fill the gap. I can work or drive and listen to them at the same time. I prefer to read but I it takes me a long time.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Glad to see ya posting. Come when you can and enjoy.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Candace

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  • Kelly

    Kelly 

    Hiya ! My name is Kelly & I am a book addict ! I live outside of Charlotte, NC. One of my most prized possessions is a 2nd edition copy of the Idyllis of the King by Alfred Lord Tennyson. It was given to be by my now deceased godfather. History is a facinating subject for me, particularly the feudalism era in Britain.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Hi Kelly, again, Welcome to the group!

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Kelly. we have not posted anything on the idylls here so fire away

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  • Kristen C

    Kristen C 

    Hello my name is Kristen, I love history and reading books that are interesting

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    • howard1004

      howard1004 

      Welcome to the group Kristen!

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Kristen. We love history here, so feel at home

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  • rikkki

    rikkki 

    Hello everyone, my name is Richelle. I love reading history as well as fantasy books. I have a beginers knowledge of Authorian legend and love to learn more.

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    • howard1004

      howard1004 

      You've come to the right place! Welcome!

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome. There is alot of info here but let us know what you want from the group as we have not discussed the sci-fi of Arthur yet

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  • Chris W.

    Chris W. 

    Hey everyone, my name is Chris and just got an invite to the group from Ben. I enjoy medieval history and it is through that I started to read of the legends surrounding King Arthur. My knowledge is limited in this area but through interaction with this group I hope to learn a few things. So far my favorite story surrounding this legend is Sir Gwain and the Green Knight. I read a version from JRR Tolkien many years ago and really like it. I want to read The Once and Future King but it is still on my ever growing TBR pile.

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    • howard1004

      howard1004 

      Welcome to the group Chris.

      That's one of my favorite stories too.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Welcome to the Group! Chris is another of those Shelfari friends who's book opionions that I trust. So I am always adding books from his shelf. Thanks for coming Chris.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Chris another source of wisdom

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  • Jackie

    Jackie  

    Hello everyone, my name is Jackie, and like some others, my knowledge is not as vast as my curiosity to be sure. The Mists of Avalon is a favorite movie, sadly, I have yet to read the book. I have a couple of books of Mideaval history of sorts, just small things on Feudal history. I do however have somewhat of a family history on my fathers side that was dated to about 1099. A search of my familys sir name and crest were what lead down this road. On my mothers side, legend has it that I'm a direct decentdent of John Knox of the Reformation. So If I would just take the time to follow up on my own family history, I'm sure I would find things intertwined as it were with what the Legends say. I am very intrigued by Morgain Le Fay, not sure if she is good or bad. I love magical things. Stone Henge, Easter Island, etc. I'm in the midst of moving out of state, so my reading is on hold. I hope to get it going again after the dust settles.

    Thanks for the chance to say hi.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Hi Jackie great to have you on board.

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  • howard1004

    howard1004 

    Glad to have you Jackie.

    I can tell we're going to have some great discussions!

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    • Karen H

      Karen H 

      Howard it is fun being in another group with you.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Howard always post some great discussions

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  • Jackie

    Jackie  

    I look forward to them Howard!

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  • Evie ♥

    Evie ♥ 

    Hi,

    What book would you recommend for my first on the legend of King Arthur?

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Hi Evie, good to see you here.
      Thats a good question, I am interested in that answer also. I think we should start a thread for this.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Hi and welcome Evie. I have suggested in the thread a book that is a well loved favourite but also a good starter because it gives you the overall story. Hope you will enjoy it

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  • Marcella

    Marcella 

    Hi everyone,
    I've been interested in the Arthurian legends for many years, although I'm far from knowledgeable. My favorite book, so far, is by Terence White.l

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Marcella, come and enjoy the discussions with so many wonderful people

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  • Tea Cup

    Tea Cup 

    Hi, I'm Tea

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Tea
      Pull up a chair and enjoy the post. Jump in when you want, where you want

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  • liliana s

    liliana s 

    Hello everyone. I'm Lilly and as majority of the people here, I am a hopeless case of book addiction. Not that I mind. Sometimes people around me do. Anyway, I became interested in Medieval England in college when dreading having to read 'Beowulf' in Old English. It's funny that I had been kicking and screaming before reading it but afterwards I could not have enough time to say everything I wanted to say about it. Since then, I started looking into Arthurian period as well and quite recently I've read 'The Kingmaking' by Helen Hollick and I thoroughly enjoyed it because for the first time there was no Merlin, no magic, just Arthur and his not so chivalrous traits that made the story that much more interesting and believable. That is not to say that I don't like the whole Arthurian legend shrouded in mystery. That's it for me and I hope to have a lot of fun in this group.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      You are very welcome and if you want to finish saying about Beowulf go to the Sagas group and post in the section on stories you like. Enjoy your Arthur here and join in.

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  • Jackie

    Jackie  

    I have to admit, that I although I tried, I could not get through Beowulf! Before the movie came out, I decided I'd read the book. (Didn't have to read it in High School, and haven't gone to college), just so I could see how close the movie came to the book. I had no idea it was an epic poem!! And the book I got has the Old English on one page, todays translation next to it. I am not a dumb person, but I felt so inept! I stuggled for days with this monster, then finally admitting defeat, put it away. Maybe I'll try again someday, but for now, it will just grace my book shelf unfinished.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower (edited)

      Jackie in the Sagas group we are discussing old stories Icelandic and all. April we are reading an Old Irish legend from the Ulster Cycle and I have posted it under Tain in chapters so we can read and discuss as we go along. I have put some info on the Ulster cycle and the Tain itself. I have also posted some info on Germanic myths which will lead into the Anglo-Saxon Beowulf so keep looking as we might if everyone wants read this there next. I hope you will enjoy this group also as we have some great discussions here on Arthur

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  • Angela S

    Angela S 

    Greeting Lords and Ladies of the Round Table. I am rather new to shelfari and am finding out I shoud have been here long ago. I have been a lover of things Arthur since the beginning of time..lol. Or so it seems. As a hobby I also write novels. I have several which maybe one day I will let loose, but for now they are happy and content staying with me. Call me greedy I guess. I have recently just this year however managed to feel free enough to allow some of what I have out on WEbook.com..., At the present time I am doing doing so editing and re-editing getting myself prepared for what may come of it.

    One of my novels (A series actually) deals with life after the fall of Camelot. I have done a lot of study of the Arthurian legends, Merlin more than any of them. My own novel though has none of the Arthurian people in it., it is entirely all new people, save one Merlin. He though is there only in the prologue. I hope to bring the dream of Camelot back to light.

    Aside from that I also have a horror/paranormal novel (nine book series) which deals with good -vs- evil and the circle of how they chase each other through the eyes and life/death of one person.

    I am just looking for good people that share my passion for these things and can keep me on my toes.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Angela, we are certainly glad you found your way to us. Perhaps one day when you are ready, you could share some of your work and we could discuss it in some of the groups. In the mean time of course, welcome to are happy little world :)

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    • Angela S

      Angela S 

      and what a wonderful world it is.....(runs about picking daisies and singing to the birds)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      What a wonder you are Angela, and like Ben I am happy you found your way to our world, welcome.
      Archaeologists have been searching for Camelot and a number of sites have been proposed, have you any preferences and why.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Most medieval stories start in the spring and the ladies likened to spring flowers in their freshness, and there is not a better sight than a field of Bluebells. The Celtic tear started in May so do you think it is a state of mind from the oral tales.

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    • Angela S

      Angela S 

      funny you should ask... I found this amazing book some years back ... I think you have mentioned it a few times in your postings. "The Quest for Arthur's Britain" by Geoffrey Ashe. I would suggest this book as a starting point for anyone just beginning their "Quest for the Legendary Arthur" .. The funny thing is ..we all search for answers pertaining to Arthur and trying to find his origins and prove he existed, much the same way as he and his Knights pursued the Grail. Does this in turn make us Knights on a Quest? Maybe one where only the purest of hearts will find the true Arthur?

      As far as the location and my thoughts I am still undecided. It is one of the great mysteries of our world. They claim seven wonders, but I think they miscalculated. From my understanding the word Camelot itself simply means - any time, place, etc. idealized as having excitement, purpose, a high level of culture, etc.... so that means the place where Arthur lived, ruled could easily of had a different name but the historians, the story-tellers, the bards all chose to call it Camelot... This in turns leaves the mind wondering again. So Many Arthurs and so much time. With so many Arthurs running about haphazardly it is hard to pin-point exactly which it would be. I believe it would be far easier to trace Guinevere and thus find the Arthur that once had a Queen, or wife by that name. I am still not firm in my beliefs that Arthur was actually a King, but possibly more of a man with title and a great following. Someone people admired so much they maybe wished he was a King.

      The stories of Arthur themselves in a way reminds me of the Telephone game we played in school as as children. Where one person would whisper something into someone's ear, and so on and so on until finally reaching the last person it either lost its full message or grew into something else. They also remind me of Aesop's fables. Where they were intended to teach a moral. Now if you put all that together... We have a man greatly admired, with people telling stories so immense that over time it becomes more of a Fairy Tale to us nowadays. And Camelot being the center of attention because thats the exciting place where all these things happen. Then toss in some real artifacts and some real happenings in history and things get really twisted and it's hard to determine now which is fact and which is make believe.

      That leads us to this then... do we believe in all of it? Do we break it down and believe in some of it, or none of it. Or do we simply accept it as a mystery/legend that is a little of both. Regardless they are fascinating, and they teach us many things.......so many things.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower (edited)

      I hope not for Galahad does not seem the most friendliest of knights, keeping himself to himself most of the time. the old stories tell us that he is being kept in Avalon until Mordred reappears and then we will see him again.
      The earliest reference to Arthur is in Aneirin's poem Y Gododdin (c. 594). While his fame may have increased in the intervening years, the facts about his life have become less discernible, as the genealogy's depict.

      There was no Camelot mentioned in the early Arthurian traditions recorded by Geoffrey of Monmouth, Wace, and Layamon. Arthur's chief court was in Caerleon in Wales;
      It is a site of archaeological importance, being the site of a notable Roman legionary fortress and an Iron Age hill fort. It also has strong literary associations as Geoffrey of Monmouth makes Caerleon one of the most important cities in Britain in his Historia Regum Britanniæ, and Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote Idylls of the King while staying in Caerleon.

      Caerleon like Camelot, is becoming a Christian City by the time of Geoffrey's writing.
      Geoffrey of Monmouth makes Caerleon one of the most important cities in Britain in his Historia Regum Britanniæ. He gives it a long glorious history from its founding by King Belinus then making it the location of a metropolitan see, an Archbishopric superior to Canterbury and York under Saint Dubricius. He was followed by St David who moved the archbishopric to St David's Cathedral. This builds up to its use by Geoffrey as a Court for King Arthur.
      Geoffrey of Monmouth writes of Caerleon in the mid 12th century:

      "For it was located in a delightful spot in Glamorgan, on the River Usk, not far from the Severn Sea. Abounding in wealth more than other cities, it was suited for such a ceremony. For the noble river I have named flows along it on one side, upon which the kings and princes who would be coming from overseas could be carried by ship. But on the other side, protected by meadow and woods, it was remarkable for royal palaces, so that it imitated Rome in the golden roofs of its buildings... Famous for so many pleasant features, Caerleon was made ready for the announced feast." (Historia Regum Britanniae "History of the Kings of Britain")

      Camelot was referred to infrequently and only in translations from French. Camelot first appeared in 12th-century French romances and eventually came to be described as the fantastic capital of Arthur's realm and a symbol of the fabulous Arthurian world.
      The castle is mentioned for the first time in Chrétien de Troyes' poem Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart, in line 34 of Chrétien de Troyes's Lancelot, dating to the 1170s, though it is not mentioned in all the manuscripts. It is mentioned in passing, and is not described:
      A un jor d'une Acenssion / Fu venuz de vers Carlion / Li rois Artus et tenu ot / Cort molt riche a Camaalot / Si riche com au jor estut.(Lancelot Ou Le Chevalier De La Charette)
      Upon a certain Ascension Day King Arthur had come from Caerleon, and had held a very magnificent court at Camelot as was fitting on such a day(Lancelot, vv. 31-32.
      In the thirteenth-century Vulgate Cycle, Camelot becomes the principal city of Arthur's realm and remains so in many, though certainly not all, later texts. For the English-speaking world Camelot is Arthur's central city because of Malory, who identifies it with Winchester. The image many modern readers have of the Camelot coincides with Tennyson's description of it in Tennyson's "The Lady of Shalott" as "many-tower'd Camelot." Tennyson's image of Camelot is much more complex.
      It was not until the late 15th century that Thomas Malory created the image of Camelot most familiar to English speakers today in his Le Morte d'Arthur, a work based mostly on the French romances. He firmly identifies Camelot with Winchester, an identification that remained popular over the centuries.

      Lacy, Norris J. (1991). "Camelot". In Norris J. Lacy (Ed.), The New Arthurian Encyclopedia, p. 67. New York: Garland. ISBN 0-8240-4377-4. commented that "Camelot, located no where in particular, can be anywhere." This had lead to more recent, largely through the influence of T. H. White, Camelot has come to be associated with the values Camelot is believed to have represented (White's "Might for Right"). The moral overtones still often remain but sometimes "Camelot" is used only to represent an ideal place.

      The name's derivation is also unknown. John Morris, the English historian who specialized in the study of the institutions of the Roman Empire and the history of Sub-Roman Britain, suggested in his book The Age of Arthur that as the descendants of Romanized Britons looked back to a golden age of peace and prosperity under Rome, the name "Camelot" of Arthurian legend may have to the capital of Britannia (Camulodunum - modern Colchester) in Roman times. If historical the first part of it, Cam, could also reflect the Celtic word meaning "crooked" which is commonly used in place names as seen in Camlann.
      Given Chrétien's known tendency to create new stories and characters, being the first to mention the hero Lancelot and his love affair with Queen Guinevere for example, the name might also be entirely invented. The romances depict the city of Camelot as standing along a river, downstream from Astolat a legendary city, adding to the evidence that so is Camelot. Astolat also has links with the Atrebates tribe who Arthur is supposed to have descended through, so his seat of government might not be to far from his birth place. It is surrounded by plains and forests, and the chivalry and courtesy of its inhabitants and its magnificent cathedral, St. Stephen's, is the religious centre for Arthur's Knights of the Round Table. Even at this stage Arthur could not be tied to one location

      In Celtic mythology, Camulus or Camulos was the god of war of the Remi, a Gaulish tribe who lived in the area of today's Belgium. Traces of his cult are also found in Britain.
      Cunobelinus (Shakespeare's Cymbeline), a chief of the Catuvellauni who was called Britannorum rex by the Roman historian Suetonius, made Camulodunum his capital after defeating the local Trinobantes. He established a mint there, and coins bearing his head are still found occasionally in the area

      Also History and Literature come from the same root source and bards journeying from one tribe to another mixed real events in with mythic ones to make their story more interesting, but also as an aid to memory. News of other tribes and people all combined into one long story told over a couple of days to make it more interesting.

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  • Karen H

    Karen H 

    I am impressed!

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  • Angela S

    Angela S 

    as am I. I had heard all this before but never put in such a way to crystalize it. But I am still convinced -sorry looking at the tales of Arthur from a writer's eye - Camelot was not a real location but one used to describe the place of many things, occurances and such. I can not explain this clearly but Writer's have this way of adopting things, and ways like an unwriten law of writing..to take something someone else has started and add to it and watch it grow. Camelot is one of those things. Someone had heard the description much like Eden and then associated it with his stories of Arthur. Because to make a story more real you have to name people and places to make them stand out more. The more romantic or fitting the name to describe them even better. The name Camelot was the perfect description for where a man such as Arthur would rule. So the name stuck., stuck that is until other people hearing these stories decided to examine them and find actual sites and history. Which yes they have found things indicating parts here and there..but they have yet to find ways to tie them all together. Plus there is much time spread these items. But anyway., I believe Camelot was exactly that... a name given because the real name (if real)... was to sound more poetic. It carried more of a pleasant ring to the ear., and the description far more fitting than the real (??) place. That is why it is so hard to distinguish just where Camelot would have existed. Besides with so many stories pertaining to so many Arthurs throughout time... can we accurately say only one place?
    But yes if I had to choose oe...I would most likely say Caerleon. (which gives me an idea for an all new discusision)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      I agree I like the idea of Camelot being located no where in particular, can be anywhere. as stated by Lacy, because it gives us more locations to discuss, but also from a romantic point of view. It allows our imaginations to flow and everyones Camelot will be different. Also the different Arthurs could not have had the same place as the different time periods would have dictated different establishments.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      I agree that the more variables the better, allowing for greater variety in place and story.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      The character Morgan has plenty of variables

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  • Angela S

    Angela S 

    there is no end....that's the great thing about legends. **sigh**

    let's your imagination just run wild

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  • Tara S

    Tara S 

    Hello fellow Camelot lovers! I'm Tara and have been in love with all things Arthurian since my early teens. when i first read Once and Future King. As i've grown older I seem to lean more toward the forbidden love triangles Gwen, Lance and Arthur and Tristan (for whom my son is named) Isolde and Mark. It's hard to find people IRL that love Camelot stuff so i'm greatful to have found this group!

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Tara, Welcome! You have came to the right place, for indeed we do love all things Arthur here. We will have to have you help us in our group read of The Once and Future King, mossflower will be starting a discussion thread for it in about a week. If you don't want to re-read it join in the discussions anyway :)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Tara welcome and help with the discussions.
      I have started them a bit later as my mother was unwell.

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  • Amy

    Amy  

    Hello, everyone! I'm a teacher and avid reader who also enjoys music, travel, and the outdoors. I can't pinpoint exactly when my interest in Arthurian legends began, but a few years ago I read The Mists of Avalon, Mary Stewart's Merlin books, and Rosalind Miles' Guenevere books. I find the topic to be highly entertaining and fascinating. I am reading Le Morte d'Arthur right now and can't get over what a great read it is for having been written so many years ago! Next up is a book called The Discovery of King Arthur by Geoffrey Ashe that explores the historical events and real people behind these stories. I am looking for some more friends on Shelfari, so please get in touch! Happy reading!

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Welcome again Amy! You may have noticed that this month's group read is White's, The Once and Future King. Due to untimely events we are a little behind, so you have plenty of time to join the read and the discussions. So..... Just jump in an have fun.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Amy I have put some Ashe on the blog about Glastonbury so please visit and you are very welcome .please join the read and discussions

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  • Kathleen C

    Kathleen C 

    Hi everyone I'm Katie from Florida and it's nice to see some familiar posters here - I believe I have join plenty of groups where I have seen both Ben and mossflower...

    I know very little about the Arthurian legends, but I am so excited to learn about it. My 5 year old son makes me read and re-read the Disney version of Sword in the Stone almost every night before bed so I guess I'm not completely out of the loop :)

    I'm going to try to get this month's book on audio - I'm praying my library has it! I'll be posting soon I'm sure - Katie.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Katie! Welcome to the Round Table, we have a chair just for you :) As always make yourself at home and feel free to join in all our discussions etc. (You know my spill by now lol ) Glad to have you join the read, and hope you are sucessful in getting the audio.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      i second that Kathleen you are most welcome. sit and join the banter.

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    • Kathleen C

      Kathleen C 

      Actually I bought the T.H. White book and Goodrich's and Cornwell's! I'm going to read White next after I'm done with the mammoth Agony & the Ecstacy :) But I'm enjoying that read so I don't want it to be over too soon!

      Chat soon, Katie.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      I agree that Agony was one of the books you don't want to end. I had a hard time finding something else to read after Agony.

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  • Ondine

    Ondine 

    The amount of time I have spent studying Arthurian Literature testifies of my regrettable conformism. I find myself at odds with the Arthurian world for my lack of pseudo-religious devotion to the texts and characters (and my absolute rejection of the Breton hope), but I might yet have something to contribute. Unfortunately, it's impossible for me to avoid the epic because almost everything I do or study includes the tales somewhere. I read fantasy and science fiction, and watch movies with magic and space battles. I study Medieval Literature and French Romances, Victorian Literature, Romanticism, and Pre-Raphaelite art. I work in a library and teach at a college. It's all rather silly, really.

    I like Merlin. I like MY merlin better than anyone else's to the point where I feel like Vivian must have, with the old man tucked safely into a tree and only his beard showing, and the tales people tell.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      We welcome your prespective, and look forward to your comments.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Sounds an ideal job to me and you are very welcome. I so hope we are going to have some Celtic / Old Briton take on Merlyn and Athur.

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  • Sabina E

    Sabina E 

    Hi all, I'm Sabina from Australia - like most of you my love affair with Camelot started at a young age and it seems to become even more fascinating to me as the years go by. Maybe the world still needs legends of good and bad, of heroism and loyalty, with a little magic thrown in - I do, anyway.

    My favourite book (again, like many of you) is The Mists of Avalon. Another good one is the Merlin - The Old Magic series by James Mallory, which is a novelization of the hallmark television miniseries.

    I'm really glad I found this group - and I seem to see a few familiar names, too! Nice to meet you all.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Welcome to the Round Table Sabina, glad to see you again :) You know my spill by now, so just make yourself at home. I look forward to your prespective, as this is a diverse group in makeup and level of reading, and therefore I think you bring a little different approach. Please feel free to express you thoughts as we have group reads and discussions.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      We are glad you found the group also, welcome, sit and gossip. We have just been reading Beowulf in the Sagas group and it struck me that Arthur and Camelot were alot like Hrothgar and
      Heorot in that Arthur may not keep the loyalty of the knights by giving of gifts (land, silver, armbands etc, but he does keep their loyalty through chivalry. That they feast and boast and sing about glorious feats just the same.

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    • Sabina E

      Sabina E 

      Thanks for making me feel welcome! I haven't read Beowulf yet, but it's been on my list for a while now. Do you think one legend influenced the other in terms of customs and perhaps a code of honour and loyalty?

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  • Christin

    Christin (edited)

    Hello my name is Christin.

    I first became interested in Arthurian Legends as a child after watching Disney's Sword and the Stone and Robin Hood. I just loved the characters and their interactions, and when I became a bit older and discovered that Sword in the Stone was based on a TH White novel, well I just had to read it. I absolutely fell in love with the Once and Future King and it remains one of my favorite books of all time.

    In college was able to add another dimension to my study of Arthurian Legend through my art history classes and all the paintings I was introduced to, and after college I joined the Society of Creative Anachronism and took on the persona of a Celtic Bard which then led me to begin reading the legends directly from the actual, historical, source materials such as the Morte D'Arthur, Erec and Enid, etc.

    I struggle with the Arthur-Guinevere-Lancelot triangle as I love all three characters and at the same time can't accept Lancelot as the romantic hero or Guinevere as the romantic heroine due to their adultery.

    Looking forward to reading and discussing things with everyone!

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Hello Christin,
      Welcome to the Round Table. Please feel free to share with us the things which you have learned along the way about the Arthurian stories. We look forward to you prespective, and comments :)

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Hi christine welcome to the group.
      The love triangle was a later addition and could have been used firstly as a courtly love feature with the lady being adored from a distance but never touched like in chaucers love triangle where the imprisoned brothers see Emily through the prison window walking in her garden and swoon at the sight of her. Another later use would be as a moral in the tale. Have you any information that can help us in understanding the love triangle?

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  • Sara K

    Sara K 

    Hi everyone - I'm Sara. This will sound cliche, but of course I love books and reading :) Luckily, I read tons every day - I'm an editor with Sourcebooks, Inc., a mid-size independent in the Chicago area. I've gotten more into Arthurian legend the past two years, and I'm slowly working my way through all the heavy hitters. I think my favorite so far is The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay. And of course loved Mists of Avalon. The best thing about Arthurian legend, to me, is that it's completely evergreen. There are so many interpretations - in terms of history vs. fantasy, characters, endings, relationships, etc. - that the legend truly will never die.

    Can't wait to enter the conversation!

    PS. I'm on twitter for anyone who's also on there - @SaraKase

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Hello Sara,
      Welcome to the Round Table. Glad to have you and your prespective amoung us. I look forward to your input. As you can see we are a little dormant for the summer. But, we look forward to the group activity picking up come fall. Feel free to comment on any of the existing threads and to start your own threads.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      Welcome Sara, a star job for someone who loves books. Can you shed any light on the love triangle from your readings, and abit about the Fionaver Tapestry for our members who might like to read it.

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    • Sara K

      Sara K 

      I think the love triangle may be a sham. According to research, Lancelot didn't exist, just like Arthur didn't pull the sword from the stone. When Christin says above he "can't accept Lancelot as the romantic hero or Guinevere as the romantic heroine due to their adultery," maybe IN THOSE BOOKS it's difficult to accept the adultery, but does it help at all to know that Lancelot probably never came into the triangle? I don't know.

      The love triangle does come into play in the Fionavar books, but somehow it comes across as the sweetest, saddest tale there ever was. As to the trilogy overall, Guy Gavriel Kay subtley uses Arthurian legend and pushes its bound while exploring a deeper fantasy angle than other books -- kids from Canada find themselves in another, magical world. I'd say a great introduction to both fantasy and Arthurian legend -- you could follow it up with Ender's Game or Mists of Avalon and be satisfied/see a connection either way.

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    • Christin

      Christin 

      HI Sara et al,

      I'm a she, by the way ;-)

      I'm not sure what you mean by research indicating that Lancelot didn't exist. . .

      Lancelot most certainly did exist in Arthurian legend and the love triangle was one of three important and recurring themes in those texts, the other two being the forming and feloowship of the knights of the round table, and the quest for the Holy Grail.

      French poet Chrétien de Troyes first wrote of Launcelot in his work Le Chevalier de la Charrette. In fact in French Arthurian Legend Launcelot figures more prominently than Arthur does, and his relationship with Guinevere is more important than that of Gwen and Arthur. The relationship between Lancelot and Guinevere was the basis for the ideals of chivalry and courtly love in the European royal courts of the time.

      Lancelot appears in the Vulgate Cycle which depicts the quest for the Sangreal, or holy grail. It is because of his adulterous affair with Guinevere that he cannot obtain the grail and why Galahad is deemed more pure and holy.

      One of the most famous pieces featuring Lancelot is Thomas Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur.

      Yes, for me it's difficult to accept the adultery IN THOSE STORIES as you put it. :-)

      But it is *those* stories that set the basis for all other stories of Arthur that proceed them, including modern fiction such as The Mists of Avalon.

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    • Bennnc63

      Bennnc63 

      Sara and Christin, your points are well stated and taken. This type of discussion is what this group is supposed to be about. Thank you both for your comments.

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    • mossflower

      mossflower 

      I agree Sara that the love triangle is the saddest tale, because of what it destroyed the friendship of Lancelot and the Orkney brothers, his friendship with arthur, and lead to his madness as he realises he failed to be loyal a must for him and nearly destroys him as a person. Also as Christin says he could not fulfill a quest because of his sin and that too would have weighed heavy on Lancelot. But without this happening the story would not have a conclusion, the medieval Church in its support of the tales to encourage knightly behaviour also used it in their misogynistic way of controlling women, by making them the harlot they could promote man as the head over them.
      So we do have to take into account history of the times the tale was written and what is it telling us of the time period, for in the Welsh tales the first Arthur was a robber and has changed with the times and tellings.

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