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  • deborah

    What Do You Think?

    I've finished reading the book (more like a novela) and have a few thoughts. First off, I can't even believe this is a Cormick McCarthy book.

    I'll hold off until I know where everyone is in the story....

    Chime in!
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  • PoetGirl

    PoetGirl 

    Done. Can I start the talking.

    Yes depression. Nothing to live for, nothing to live by. Hard for me to read because I worked for 2 years interviewing Holocaust survivors and it was basically their story. Except they didn't eat people, they didn't find cans of food. They ate the bark of trees, grass, they hid in holes the ground, in sewers, in trees in the spring and summer.
    But back to the story. I was saddened that there was no expansion on their discussion to include even a small dose of talk of dreams, memories, feelings. It seemed void of all that. He did it for effect I feel.

    What's your thoughts on this.


    R
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    • aidan

      aidan 

      I thought it was sort of Mad Max sans cool car. I think I read somewhere that Mad Max was Cormac McCarthy's inspiration and starting point, but he didn't want to copy it too much so he felt he had to change something. I would of kept the car. Any thoughts?

      As for the lack of conversation regarding dreams (of future) and memories of the past... I think that they don't have any. The man mentioned that the boy used to play as they walked and now he doesn't. Things are stripped to the bare elements. Energy to dream is a luxury they don't have. They are on survival mode. Their will is to live, at a basic level. Eat, move, live. I think the dialogue structure was interesting at a symbolic level but not so interesting to read. A lot of simple short sentences. The boys asked questions and the man would repeat the words from the question in the answer. "Are we the good guys?", "Yes we are the good guys" etc. After 50 pages I had a feeling one of the two was mildly retarded. Maybe an effect of the radiation. The overall structure of the book, dialogue, sentence structure etc. was very simple and stripped down.

      P.S... If Cormac McCarthy did leave the car in...what kind of car do you think it should be?
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    • PoetGirl

      PoetGirl 

      OK I understand your point about lack of conversation, things stripped to bare elements but the man did mention his wife, birds, dreams and as well the family at the end of the book, were in fact the good guys, and "The woman when she saw him (the boy) put her arms around him and held him. "Oh, she said, I am so glad to see you. She would talk to him sometimes about G-d. ...She said that breath of G-d was his breath yet though it pass from man to man throught all of time." She told him bout the brook trout in the streams in the mountains. " So she had memories.

      Perhaps his father just had nothing in him to give anymore, and yes the dialogue structure would have been interesting only in one sentance "They will speak simply". Instead of reading 287 pages of it. Might have been some radiation. I just wanted to whiz through it though, and I feel a good book should be savoured, like a nice piece of tofu on rice.

      I think he should have left the car in and called the book, "The Highway".
      What kind of car.......well the obvious choices would be:

      1971 Nova, brown
      1972 Plymouth Roadman (or something)

      But since he was a dad and practical, I think it would have been a small car (environmentally trying), Like a Yaris or SmartCar
      Though I vote for a Cintoen with pieces missing, all dark
      or a small schoolbus that dad stole from the busdriver of his kid on the way home from school that last day.

      Also I think a photo or a painting at the end of the book of what dad saw on the horizon might have been a nice touch. (Though it is a novel).
      R
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    • PoetGirl

      PoetGirl 

      I have one more thought. I think we're missing the whole point of the story. That in fact this can happen to us and that our world and our society is not far off from this. Do you think it can happen in our life time, in North America. How can we as concious individuals stop it from happening? Or do we just avoid it and go on living our lives day to day and hope it doesn't?

      What's your thought?

      R
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
  • aidan

    aidan 

    PoetGirl,
    As to whether this scenerio can happen in our lifetime...I suppose it could, anything is possible and mankind has always used whatever technology it has at its disposal to wage war. And we have made war since recorded time. My thoughts though are that this sort of scenerio is more likely to be the result of some sort of accident rather than war. The few nuclear accidents we have had seem to be forgotten about when the next news event steals the headlines. I think we will have a big one (accident/headline) before people take real notice. We are still witnessing the effects of Chernobyl. Babies are still being born with all sorts of defects. It is never in the press though. It is old news. In the accident scenerio much of the world will spectate the horror. We already seem pretty amune to it though.

    As to how it can be prevented, I think the future of humanity lies in the hands of Angelina Jolie and Bono. I am not joking either. I don't think people pay attention to politics. Global understanding is going to happen when stars carry the message to the population. This will happen in conjunction with coporations like Coca Cola when they decide that there is money in global issues, which they already have.
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    • deborah

      deborah 

      OK...a few of my thoughts....

      While I enjoyed reading the book, it bugged me too. The cannibalism was just dumb. If the father and boy could find tinned food...well, so could anyone. The abhorrence of cannibalism is too ingrained in North Americans (as are the survivors in the story) to allow for the seemingly widespread practice in the novel. After all, even with the starving Donor party, only a few opted for eating human meat. Desperate people are scary enough without tossing that in.

      Putting that aside, I liked the spare writing. I didn't get the sense that either was retarded, just exhausted. I thought it was interesting that "the boy" was never called by name. He called his father "Papa", and I wondered what the father called out when he was looking for his son. Did he call "Boy", "Hey You", or "Son"? It seems odd as the father takes pains to tell his son the name of so many things yet doesn't have a name for his son. I suppose it was a device to show us how stripped down life has become.

      The love the two shared really touched me. Much is written about a mother's tender love for her child, but not so much for a father's tenderness. I felt the father wasn't just teaching his son how to survive, but how to be human. He appreciated his boy's caring and responded to it.

      I responded to the mention of toys. That the boy once collected and played with toys he found speaks to the idea that the soul need more than food to feed it. That the boy no longer picks up things to play with addresses the passage from child to adult. That the father brings his son to the safe harbor of a woman who teaches him about God and memories completes the passage.

      I liked how the novel left room for the reader to fill in the blanks. What went on during the early years?

      I've been thinking about what car they would have. First I thought some kind SUV (big, and a place to sleep). But then I realized that the computer systems of new cars would render them useless. Next, I figured a tractor. It could transverse all terrine and could be used as a kind of weapon. I finally settled on an old pickup truck. It could hold all their 'stuff', they could sleep in the cab, it's big enough to transverse the road, has simple mechanics, and could mow down unsavory types.

      Could it happen now? Yes. Can we prevent it? Maybe. I agree with Aidan...it's in the hands of those that have enough PR to change the Western mindset.

      OK...my question...

      How would the story change if it was a father/daughter... or a mother/son?
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
    • PoetGirl

      PoetGirl 

      Good thoughts group,

      I like your point that there are not a lot of FatheréSon tender stories. Would it change if it was a mother daughter, Father Daughter? I don't think so. Love for a child is love for a child.

      Excited to start the Box Man.

      R
      posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
  • MissDaisyAnne

    MissDaisyAnne 

    I finished The Road this morning at 2, has this group moved on to read another book? No posts in a couple of weeks.
    posted 1 year ago. ( reply )
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