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Science fiction includes such a wide range of themes and sub-genres that it is notoriously difficult to define. This is a list of definitions that have been offered by authors, editors, critics and fans over the years since science fiction became clearly separate from other genres. Definitions of related terms such as "science fantasy",...more »
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  • mark s

    Good Author, Bad Book

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    Every author has books which are good, and those that are not so good. Too many times someone's first read is from the "bad" book, causing them to skip the rest of the author's work. What are some of the worst books of the Good Authors?

    For example. Fred Brown once had a book about a guy who washed out of the space program who worked on spaceships. I think it was called "The Lights in the Sky are Stars" The entire book is about him overcoming the odds and going into space. He built a new type of spaceship that they were not letting him fly. In the end the reader finds out that he had lied about his service in the Space program. That he had no experience in space itself. And that he had been lying about it so long that he actually believed that he had done it.... If I had read that first I don't think I would have ever picked up a copy of Martians Go Home...one of my all time favorite Science Fiction Books.

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  • Mark W. Tiedemann
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    Yes, I know what you mean. From time to time you find a piece of work that makes you think "Damn, he/she must've been under a hell of a deadline to turn out this turkey!"

    Just to name a few that really dismayed me...

    Asimov's "The Stars, Like Dust"---the whiny princess just ruined it for me. What was he thinking?

    Niven's "A World Out of Time"---just the most hamfisted prose he ever turned out.

    Silverberg's "The Alien Years"----it felt like two or three drafts away from being a decent novel.

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  • Rando Calrissian
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    Oh man Illl need to think about this.

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  • Dianne R
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    The Red Planet by Heinlein. Just a mess.

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  • Tony P
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    I couldn't stand "Forever Peace" by Joe Haldeman...and I really, really, really wanted to.

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  • Shakatany
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    For me it was Poul Anderson's "The Avatar" where very early on we couiold figure out who the avatar was and so many scenes were told again and again from different POVs for no purpose that I could see except to expand the book.

    I doubt this category was meant for books like Jacqueline Susann's "Yargo" which was the first book she wrote and was soundly rejected and dug up and published after her death. I read it and thought if someone had actually helped her edit it when she first wrote it, it wouldn't have made a bad second half of an Ace double. She might have ended up as a SF writer with books like "Every Night Josephine" about a time traveler in the Napoleon's court, "The Love Machine" about an android who could really keep it up and "Valley of the Dolls" a rewrite of Gulliver's Travels *g*

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  • Vidreven
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    The first book that comes to mind is Arthur C. Clarke's Hammer of god. For the millionth time an asteroid is going to destroy the Earth (and it was sent by super advanced aliens). After reading about super advanced aliens wanting to destroy Earth in Space odysseys, Time odysseys and Light of other days (mostly by asteroids) I have become sick of the idea.

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  • Neophiliac
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    I'm sure I have had this experience many times but I'd need to jog my memory by finding something I'd written about it. So raiding some old reviews for inspiration:

    Spider Robinson: I liked Telempath but was disappointed with Mindkiller. I didn't read any more of his.

    Norman Spinrad's Bug Jack Barron: I hated it. The story was so hackneyed and predictable. I don't know if he ever produced anything better.

    K. W. Jeter: I enjoyed Dr Adder a lot but I found The Glass Hammer boring. I also tried Morlock Night but it was so bad I gave up.

    Garry Kilworth wrote a lot of great stories and novels but Cloudrock, well, The only interesting bit was the geography.

    Paul J McAuley's Four Hundred Billion Stars seemed long-winded and didn't really get anywhere. I didn't give him another chance but he's been fairly successful.

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    • Tiffany R
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      I'm not a fan of K. W. Jeter myself. I find his writing repetitive and boring. He has a few shining moments that you can skim a book for, but otherwise.... let's just say it has taken me four months to finish one book, and I'm not even half way through it yet.

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    • Mark W. Tiedemann
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      Interesting. I had the opposite reaction to the two Robinson books you mention.

      Jeter has one novel I can recommend whole-heartedly---Noir

      I can't judge Spinrad at all---he's one writer whose wavelength I've never found.

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  • Roger Lawrence
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    Possibly the worst SF book I've ever read is Dune. It rambles on and on. And yet it made, in my opinion, the best SF movie ever - after Forbidden Planet of course.
    I've never had the courage to read any of the other Dune books. In fact I don't think I'll ever be bored enough.

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  • mark s
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    okay, the point of this is to list an author that you enjoy...and a book that did not equal their other work:)

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  • Anthony H
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    "There's a Wocket in my Pocket"

    after "Marvin K. Mooney, Will You Please Go Now!" I was expecting something a little more lighthearted and silly so I wasn't prepared for the 'Vug Under The Rug' and that scared me a little bit...

    I've since recovered.

    :)

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    • Lizzie N
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      Interesting how different reactions can be to the same book. I loved Dune and read the entire series non-stop. I loved how Herbert explored ideas about history and identity. I didn't like the movie all that well.

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    • Mark W. Tiedemann
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      Um....the author?

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    • Anthony H

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      Admit it, now you're picturing the Seuss version of Dune in your head.

      I know I am... and it's awesome.

      ""You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide... OH GOD! A SANDWORM!!! RUUUUNNNN!!!!!"

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  • Phadrus00
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    Ohhhh there are so many instances of this it is hard to pick one... Oh, ok I will since you asked! *grin*

    This one happened to me recently on a trip. I decided I was going to re-read the Foundation series which is of course an amazing series of books by Asimov. I hadn't read them since I was a kid so I went out and picked up the original three books and decided, since there have now been additional tomes added to the series, to read the complete story from start to finish.. Oh Boy I thought, and just when I was travelling to Asia.. Lots of time to sink into these awesome books...

    I started with Prelude to Foundation Just as we left Chicago on my way to Shanghai.. Somewhere over Nunavik I realized how badly this book sucked... I was not deterred however.. I was reading one of my idols, and I knew things were going to get GOOD and frankly I had hours stuck in a seat ahead of me so... I soldiered on...

    I finished while eating my noodles on final approach to Shanghai.. I tucked the stinker into the seat pocket in front of me and hoped the next person who picked it up didn't take away as many scars as I did... Oiy what a contrived piece of crud... I am still trying to get the bad taste out of my proverbial mouth so I can restart my re-read of the GOOD Foundation Books...

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  • Jonas D
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    Well, I didn't find Jeff Noons retell of Alice in Wonderland "Automated Alice" very interesting, probably the only book of him that left me disappointed.

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  • Esoth
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    Michael Chricton, certainly a successful author by any measure, and a good one if you go far enough back in time. It started to go south on him sometime in the early 1990's, and it could be argued that it never got any better than "The Andromeda Strain" from the late '60's, but "Eaters of the Dead" and "The Great Train Robbery" were well-written and hugely entertaining. By the end of the '70's. his ideas were much better than their execution in books, but he really hit the skids with "The Prey" in 2002. Not that he had completely lost his ear for the interesting idea (it was about nano-particles, nanobots going all sort of gray-gooish). But by the time of "The Prey", Chichton's output was so mechanized and assembly-line, that he was just lining up clichés and setting them in motion, and he couldn't even be bothered to flesh-out a stereotyped character.

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    • Mark W. Tiedemann
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      It could be argued that his novels had become little more than treatments for the films he wanted them to be.

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    • Esoth
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      Even on those terms -- a book that was written with a film in mind (or maybe already optioned), "The Prey" is plain bad writing. It does read like a middle draft screen treatment -- one it that queasy place of still being cobbled together out of focus group, audience demographic elements rather than characters or dialog integral or at least in service to the book. The shame of it is that Crichton had enough ideas in "The Prey" to make it worthwhile, if he gave it the time and attention the material deserved. He probably had a half a dozen other projects underway, though.

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    • drnsacharya
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      The second half and indeed many parts in the first half too were cringeworthy in prey. The ideas as you say were cool enough but i remember thinking that somebody may have ghostwritten it for him.

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    • Esoth
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      "The Prey" had a "dictated but not read" feel to it. The other flaw is that, in apparent absence of actual character development, there were a few spots when Crichton gratuitously put some of his personal political views into the character's mouths. I guess they were, for him, genuine, so maybe it felt to him as if he was adding a layer of reality.

      I don't have to say it, because the thread presupposes a good writer, but I otherwise enjoyed Crichton's work. There was something shocking about a guy like that succumbing to disease.

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  • Anthony H
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    Hey, thanks Charlie. :D http://io9.com/5690529/when-a-great-author-puts-out-one-bad-book

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    • mark s
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      Wow, That's cool.

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    • Anthony H
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      I thought so as well. We are such big fans of that site, it's nice that they follow the link back to check us out now and then. :)

      Also, it IS a pretty good idea for a blog post.

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    • drnsacharya
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      too cool man.. we are on io9 instead of the reverse for once

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    • Anthony H
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      lol... exactly my thoughts! haha.

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    • Rando Calrissian
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      Nice!

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  • Erik B
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    Another Heinlein one: "I will Fear No Evil." Only book of his I haven't reread multiple times. After I finished it, I was not surprised I'd never heard of it until seeing it in the used book store.

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    • Mark W. Tiedemann
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      That one is very hard to defend. The other one of his that's well under par is Podkayne of Mars.

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  • Sally @ Bibrary
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    Actually, I didn't mind "I will Fear No Evil" - it's clearly not Heinlein's best, but it is what introduced me to his body of work. Personally, I found "Stranger in a Strange Land" far more difficult to slog through, and that's considered his classic.

    While not quite a sci-fi author (although much of his work touches on it), I was really disappointed with Stephen King's early 90s work - Gerald's Game, Dolores Clairborne, and Rose Madder. As huge a fan as I was, they completely turned me off of his work for years, until The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon recaptured the magic.

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    • Richard
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      I re read Stranger In A Strange Land about a year ago. It is a very dated book in presentation. The 1950s lifestyle does not appeal to me at all.

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  • Tina A
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    I was going to say Heinlein's Sixth Column, so bad it made me crazy, but I also had a strong aversion to Friday. It was so dull I couldn't even finish it.

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  • B Fisch

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    For me...

    "Off Armaggedon Reef" Safehold series, Book 1 by David Webber. I like all the stuff i've read from him but this one was one I couldn't get into even after 100 pages or so.

    "House of Chains" A Tale of the Malazan Book of the Fallen Series, Book 4 by Steven Erikson. Enjoyed the first 3 immensely but I'm having a hell of a time slogging my way through this one. Halfway done and it's been 4 years and I've read over 300 books since I got it. Unfortunately I have the next 4 books in the series sitting waiting to be read too.

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  • Melmoth
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    Greg Bear's City At The End Of Time. I'm not some great fan of Bear's, but I'd read most of Eon before reading City and was blown away at how different they are. Also surprised me because I've enjoyed everything I've read that Gollancz published so far except this one. The ideas behind it are pretty great, and I like some of the images and concepts, but the plot wasn't tight enough for me to get past how irritated I was by the style (especially the, in my opinion, heinous over-usage of em-dashes).

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  • Richard
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    I just finished reading The Ark by Stephen Baxter. I loved the first 2/3 of the book. But the last 1/3 (or maybe it's 1/4) of the book all I can think of is what the F#$%! The premise is that the world is flooded in the previous book The Flood and recontinued in this book). So a group of kids are trained as Candidates to fly an interstellar Ark to a nearby star on a voyage that will ultimately take them 8 years. By the time they get there, they decide to splinter off into three groups. One to go home, one to stay at the less than ideal planet they have arrived at, and one to continue on to another planet that will take them 30 more years to get to. Add a guy with multiple split personality to the mix and it becomes very implausible and frustrating to read. Especially when I enjoyed the previous book and this one up to this point so much!

    We find out what happens with the ship that goes back to Earth and we find out what happens to the ship that continues one but not ONE FREAKIN WORD is mentioned about the people that stayed. I assumed they died off and since this book could have another sequel to it, we may find out. But it was very annoying.

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  • Stuart Clark
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    I'll second Michael Crichton. Jurassic Park was a great book. Sphere was a dud.

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