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  • jodie

    SF recommendations - all help appreciated - thanks.

    I have started a book challenge and I am looking for books in the following areas:

    Character Challenges
    23. Work with a male first-person narrator /
    24. Work with a female first-person narrator /
    25. Work with a non-human viewpoint character for at least 50% of the text /
    26. Work with a third person omniscient narrator /
    27. Work with a third-person limited, multi-perspective viewpoint /

    Setting Challenges
    28. Work set on Earth with no space travel /
    29. Work set in a human interstellar empire /
    30. Work set on a single human planet that is not Earth /
    31. Work set in a galaxy w/multiple non-human intelligences in contact w/humans /
    32. Work set on a non-generation space ship /
    33. Work set on a generation ship /
    34. Work set on a permanent man-made habitat in space /

    If anyone could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm looking for books between 100 - 350 pages. Thanks so much.
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  • Crosis

    Crosis (edited)

    Character Challenges
    23. Work with a male first-person narrator / Enemy Mine
    24. Work with a female first-person narrator / Virtual Mode (( i think, it's been a while))
    25. Work with a non-human viewpoint character for at least 50% of the text / The Dark Wing
    26. Work with a third person omniscient narrator / Dune
    27. Work with a third-person limited, multi-perspective viewpoint / On Basalisk Station: the First Honor Harrington Novel

    Setting Challenges
    28. Work set on Earth with no space travel / Frankenstein, The Posatman
    29. Work set in a human interstellar empire / Foundation
    30. Work set on a single human planet that is not Earth / Solaris, God Emperor of Dune
    31. Work set in a galaxy w/multiple non-human intelligences in contact w/humans / Starship Troopers
    32. Work set on a non-generation space ship /
    33. Work set on a generation ship /
    34. Work set on a permanent man-made habitat in space / Ring World

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls (edited)

      Is the Enemy Mine you mention the one by Barry Longyear, or the one by Kay Hooper? I'm pretty sure you meant the Barry Longyear one, but hey, you could surprise me. . . ;)

      And there are at least three different SF novels titled The Dark Path. . . which one did you have in mind?

      Oh, and Dune is third person limited, multi-perspective, not third-person omniscient.

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    • Crosis

      Crosis 

      ahh Indeed, and I ment Barry Long Year, and unfotunetly I ment "The Dark Wing" but with DUNE, don;t we get the throughts of everyone involved? I would have to look again...seems like it's time for me to reread again.

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    • Lizzie N

      Lizzie N 

      I believe Dune is from the POV of a historian who know God-emperor Leto well. The narrator's name shows up on one of the later books. He has access to the thought of multiple people through Leto. And the historian puts in his views on the nature of history which I think is the part I liked best. I understood these views and opinions as belonging to Herbert, which is why I haven't read any of the books written by Herbert's heirs.

      I think that no POV is truely omniscient. The sort of historical/godlike POV used in Dune is about as close as it gets.

      Poisonwood Bible has an interesting POV. Initially it appears to be multi-POV first person but it's actually godlike omniscient. Maybe with god POVs, the limitation is the type of god. The Poisonwood Bible African goddess is quite different from the Dune god-empiror.

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      The way I understand POV (and thus the way I spelled it out for the challenge) Dune is third-person limited, multi-perspective. I glanced through it again to be sure, but the way it works in that book is that each section is told from one person's POV and stays true to that person's POV (which makes it third-person limited) but at every section break there is a jump to a new person (hence the multi-perspective). In true third-person omniscient, the author jumps in and out of characters' heads at will, with no regard for section or chapter breaks, often even in the same paragraph. It's rarer to find that in modern authors, and I'm blanking on coming up with a good SF example (I think Vonnegut almost always writes this way, but I don't have any Vonnegut to reference at the moment, so I didn't want to assert something that I couldn't back up), but George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series is written this way.

      I don't remember if it turns out later in the series that there is a character narrating everything, but in Dune itself I don't think that is ever revealed. There is never any "I" in it that I can recall, and as I said within each section the perspective is third-person limited.

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    • Lizzie N

      Lizzie N 

      I've got an artist's view of point-of-view. I think it has to do with how an image gets recorded and transmitted to the viewer. It's partly about the location of the camera lens and partly about the type of camera and the printing of the image.
      I think we can talk about genral ways of handling POV but each story has it's own point-of-view.
      Sometimes a part of how the image got recorded(identity of narrator and how he got the info) is never directly stated but is implied by word choice, sentence structure, and so on.
      As I see it pronouns are grammar, not point of view. A person speaking from personal experience usually but not always uses first person. The Little House books by Ingals Wilder are a good example of personal experience written as third person. Fiction can imitate this syle ans how a narrator, presumed to be speaking from personal experience who is using third person.
      Oh dear this is getting to complicated.
      I'll try to give a different way of classify point of view. I'm looking instead at the relationship between the narrator and the story.

      imaginary--the narrator is the author who made up the story out of whole cloth. This style can be completely omnsicient. The narrator knows everything because he/she is god.

      autobiographical--the narrator appears to be telling his or her own life story. She/he can use either first or third, but usuallly uses first person.

      folk/fairytale/epic--The story appears to have been developed by the oral tradition. The narrator has compiled the oral storys into a written account. An example is the Lord of the Rings. This point of view is usually written as third-person omniscient.

      historical--the story appears to have been compiled out of historical documents. It's usually written as third-person omniscient.This is the POV of Dune.

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    • jodie

      jodie 

      I actually was on sparknotes.com and they list dune as being third-person omniscient so which one is it?

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      Okay, I reread the first fifty pages. It is third person omniscient. My mistake.

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  • Heather G

    Heather G 

    So I've given your list a try, I don't have books for all of them but I do have a lot. Good Luck

    25. Bioshock or Afterburn by S.L. Veihl
    26. Building Harlequin's Moon by Larry Niven (most of these other book also apply to this category)
    27. third-person limited: Cordelia's Honor or Warrior's Appentice by Lois McMaster Bujold
    28. The Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov or Childhood's End by Author C. Clarke
    29. Foundation by Isaac Asimov, or Agent of change by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
    30. Restoree or Crystal Singer by Anne McCaffrey
    31. Glory Season by David Brin, Journey Between World by Sylvia Louise Engdahl (we get to the other world by chapter 3)
    31. Sundiver, or Startide rising by David Brin
    32. Infinity Beach by Jack McDevitt (most of the book is on the ship)
    33. The Tomarrow Log by Steve Miller and Sharon Lee (half the book is on the ship)
    34. Ringworld by Larry Niven or Moonfall by Jack McDevitt

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    • Crosis

      Crosis 

      No to rain on the parade but Childhood's End has space travel...the guy sneaks aboard the ship and then see the thing due to realtivity ((trying to be spoiler free.))

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    • Heather G

      Heather G 

      Ok, I haven't read it in a long time so didn't remember as much.

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    • Crosis

      Crosis 

      it's all good i thought of that one too:-]

      course I thing Cryptonomicon works for it.

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    • jodie

      jodie 

      thanks so much to the both of you. it is really hard for me, i don't read a large variety of science fiction and i'm hoping this will help me expand. if you think of anything else, please let me know. thanks again!!!

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls (edited)

      The Caves of Steel has space travel as well. . . but it would fit in the "human interstellar empire" category.

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    • Heather G

      Heather G 

      I know space travel is mentioned in the book but I don't remember any of the main characters actually getting on a ship durring the novel. So I thought I'd fit. I know the next book, The Naked Sun, does have space travel more promenant.

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls (edited)

      R. Daneel Olivaw comes from Aurora to investigate the murder on Earth. The space travel may take place off screen, but it's there. One of the main conflicts is the political and cultural conflict between Earthers and Spacers.

      And the main goal behind the category was that there is a fundamental psychological difference between a Earth that is solitary and a species that is stuck in one place and an Earth that has spread its dominant species to the stars. That's why there is a sister category of "work that takes place in a human interstellar empire." The point of the two categories was more to show the different psychological states created by the accomplishment or failure of human space travel.

      Oh, and by the way Jodie, Childhood's End would count in the Superhuman category. . . if you haven't read it already, it is a classic of the genre and I strongly recommend it. It may even be in third-person limited, multi-perspective viewpoint, but I'm not 100% sure.

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  • jodie

    jodie 

    would slaughterhouse five work for third person omniscient?

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      LOL! I was just saying above that I'm pretty sure Vonnegut always used third-person omniscient; I just didn't have any Vonnegut to reference at the moment.

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    • Nee

      Nee 

      Starting off it's a narrator describing his experience in Dresden during the bombing, but switches to third-person, omniscient Narrator.

      Dune is not easy to pin down, for Herbert jumps from one point-of-view to another—often right in the middle of a scene. Although according to what he said to me, it’s mostly in third-person, omniscient, with an occasional narrator. Not that he thought this kind of argument was all that relevant really.

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  • jodie

    jodie 

    thanks so much for your help. I still can't find a third-person limited, multiperspective viewpoint. I'm really trying to keep these books under 350 pages. The reason being that I have to read 35 books in a year. So if you guys have any other books that would be great. Thanks again.

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      Third-person limited, multi-perspective viewpoint is the most common POV in the genre at the moment. If you just go to the bookstore and pick up a random book whose cover interests you I'd say there's at least a 50/50 chance it'll be in that POV. (Of course, finding a SF novel that's under 350 pages and not part of a series is a challenge in and of itself. . . that's not the direction the genre is going!)

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  • Michelle Frost

    Michelle Frost 

    Not sure if it would classify as third-person multiperspective viewpoint, but FIRST LIGHT is told third person from viewpoint of three characters (each in seperate segments).

    OK... going to try list... I'm lousy at remembering character viewpoint of books. :-\

    Character Challenges
    23. Work with a male first-person narrator /
    24. Work with a female first-person narrator / DRINKING SAPPHIRE WINE (? I think... been a while!) by C J Cherryh
    25. Work with a non-human viewpoint character for at least 50% of the text / PRIDE OF CHANUR trilogy by C J Cherryh
    26. Work with a third person omniscient narrator / ILLUSTRATED MAN by Ray Bradbury
    27. Work with a third-person limited, multi-perspective viewpoint / FIRST LIGHT by Michelle Frost

    Setting Challenges
    28. Work set on Earth with no space travel / DRINKING SAPPHIRE WINE by Tanith Lee
    29. Work set in a human interstellar empire / TOWER AND HIVE series by Ann McCaffrey
    30. Work set on a single human planet that is not Earth / FIRST LIGHT by Michelle Frost
    31. Work set in a galaxy w/multiple non-human intelligences in contact w/humans / PRIDE OF CHANUR trilogy by C J Cherryh
    32. Work set on a non-generation space ship / THE SHIP WHO SANG by Ann McCaffrey
    33. Work set on a generation ship /
    34. Work set on a permanent man-made habitat in space / THE ELECTRIC FOREST by Tanith Lee

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  • Shakatany

    Shakatany 

    31. Work set in a galaxy w/multiple non-human intelligences in contact w/humans The Sector General novels by James White

    32. Work set on a non-generation spaceship: Tau Zero by Poul Anderson (it almost turns into a generation space ship as it outlives our universe)

    33. Work set on a generation ship: The Watch Below by James White (you didn't specify space ship - it's sort of what would happen if people survived aboard a sunken Poseidon)

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      Hmmm. . . I don't know if The Watch Below would be exactly what I meant by that category. . . I meant generation ship in the classical sense, where generations of people survive on a ship but they have the knowledge (or at least rediscover the knowledge) that there is supposed to be an END to their existence on the ship. . . even though it doesn't technically fit, thematically that would probably fit more in the "permanent man-made habitat in space" category. . . But I haven't read it (never even heard of it, actually) so I couldn't say for sure.

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    • Crosis

      Crosis 

      people on generational ships may be aware of the ship though. I mean colonist that know they are goming somewhere.

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  • I Like Big Butts

    I Like Big Butts (edited)

    33. Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds - although generation ship isn't the dominant motif.

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    • PhoenixFalls

      PhoenixFalls 

      I don't remember a generation ship in Chasm City at all. . . it takes place entirely on Yellowstone. And the fact that there is no faster-than-light space travel so it takes hundreds of years to get to a new planet doesn't really count, as the people travelling that way spend the flight unconscious.

      Chasm City does count for work set in an interstellar empire, and I think male first-person narrator, and space opera, and probably a couple others, and it would have counted for SF mystery if I had remembered to include that as a category, but I don't think any stretch of the imagination can make it count as a generation ship novel.

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  • Raoul

    Raoul 

    29. Work set in a human interstellar empire - The Currents of Space, Asimov (set in the Galactic Empire of his Foundation Series)

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  • Martin-Ingham

    Martin-Ingham 

    A few off the top of my head.

    23. Work with a male first-person narrator / The Last Colony -John Scalzi
    26. Work with a third person omniscient narrator / Prisoner of Time -Martin T. Ingham (oh, how shameless!)
    29. Work set in a human interstellar empire / The Mote In God's Eye -Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    32. Work set on a non-generation space ship / Road To The Rim -A. Bertram Chandler
    33. Work set on a generation ship/ Orphans of the Sky -Robert A. Heinlein

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