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  • apokalypsis

    Note from one of your Admins: How to use "Shameless Self-Promotion"

    Once upon a time, there was a discussion thread called "Shameless Self-Promotion" (no colons), where group members posted little notes about work they had published. Then there were 2 threads called "Shameless Self-Promotion." Then some writers must have felt like this didn't bring enough attention to their work. So they started posting discussions like "Shameless Self-Promotion: Tomorrow's Next Bestseller" and "Shameless Self-Promotion: My Sensational Story".

    I put up with it for awhile, hoping that it would not be a big deal. But the last time I checked, every other discussion in the 10 most recent for this group was promoting one or another person's book.

    The intent of this group is not for people to have free advertising. It's designed to be a place where people discuss the writing craft and share insights with each other. There have been some very good discussions in here, but unfortunately, they are now being obscured by the amount of self-marketing that is going on.

    So from now on, when I see self-promotion discussions that include the title of a single work, I will delete them. My apologies to those of you who got the false impression that this practice was okay. I would recommend digging up the old "Shameless Self-Promotion" discussion and adding your note to it.

    Here's a thought about promoting your work in web forums: It seems to me that web forums operate on a principle of mutual benefit. I am more likely to become interested in someone's work because I have had a lively discussion with them than because they put up an ad for it. Just my two cents....

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  • Stacy-Deanne

    Stacy-Deanne (edited)

    I agree with you! People should stick to the first threads that were started for that purpose. Lately it's like the Spam Zone in here, LOL. Glad you saw it too. I've noticed in the last few months that it's been a lot. Nothing wrong with promoting, I'm an author too but you need to promote by being active in the group or other things not just starting threads for your books. Also, people can start entire groups on Shelfari dedicated to their books so that would be an alternative if they choose to do so but an excess of advertisement becomes spam in my book. I also think it's tacky when members who've never posted in other threads only pop up to do a promotional thread for their book then disappear. It's obvious that they don't care to interract but to use the group to gather readers. Not a good message to send I'd say. Great job of running the group! Best Wishes!

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    • apokalypsis

      apokalypsis 

      Stacy-Deanne--

      Thanks for "getting it" -- I also should say thanks for your contributions to many of the discussions here. If I had gold stars to pass out, you would get one. :)

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  • Michael G

    Michael G 

    Well, I would like to plead guilty, with an explanation. After I posted a mention of my book somewhere on Shelfari, Stuart contacted me and invited me to join this group. He also said that Shameless Self-Promotion was a good place to promote my novel (Zenith Rising--hell of a book, hell of a book). When I opened the discussion page I saw several Shameless Self-Promotion: + the name of the book strings, and naturally, thought that was the recommended format.

    Sorry to clutter up the group.

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    • apokalypsis

      apokalypsis 

      Thanks for understanding -- and hey, no hard feelings. Obviously, I had let it go on for awhile. Just clarifying the forum policy for moving forward.

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    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      No offense taken. Just trying to be a good citizen. Stacy-Deanne's point about being an active participant, and not just using these boards to promote yourself is an excellent point.

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  • Donald Michael Platt

    Donald Michael Platt 

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      Well, I would hate to have my entry into this community marred by scorn and osctracism. It would be counterproductive to one's objectives for entering a community. I remember years ago, when first exploring the Web, I entered a newsgroup devoted to writing. After reading a few strings, in accordance with the FAQ suggestions, I ventured forth to commentary, asking what I thought was a simple question about why, if everyone was supposed to be a writer, they used such bad grammar and sloppy syntax. The first response was: "Well, I hope you're erady for this." The rest constituted a deluge of condemnation and recrimination. I perservered until I was a veteran, able to chide or counsel "newbies" as needed. Then I left because it was a waste of time to read so many useless, silly postings.

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    • Levi Montgomery

      Levi Montgomery 

      I may be late to the party here, but I, too, have wondered why someone would post (as I actually saw on another board)

      "i luv 2 rite,,,,,,ben wrtnig since i wuz 2!!!!!!!"

      I like to use the analogy of muscle memory in an athlete - if you allow your skills to slip anywhere, they will be their best nowhere.

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    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      LOL!!! U R so rite? Wut wuz he thinking?

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    • Levi Montgomery

      Levi Montgomery 

      I've actually heard imlish in the mall: "Ell oh ell! That's so funny! Ell oh ell!"

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  • TheMachiavella

    TheMachiavella 

    This morning I started leaving groups that I had no interest in. This was one group that I had joined because I thought it was discussions on the art of writing. However every time I checked in to see what was going on, I saw a lot of shameless publishing and not enough craft discussion. I am very glad to read your post. I agree and it was very well stated.

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    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      Well, I'm glad there was a group intervention to stop me from shamelessly self-promoting myself in time to keep you from leaving this group. And isn't that an incredible sentence? A real world-beater.

      Say, TheMachiavella, I was looking at your picture, and was wondering, did you know that you look a lot like Michelle Obama?

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    • TheMachiavella

      TheMachiavella 

      I look better then Michelle. lol

      posted 12 months ago. ( reply )
    • uplandpoet

      uplandpoet 

      hey, michelle is hot!!!! and married to skinny guy like that?
      actually i think they are both pretty fine and am crazy about the big eared skinny black guy with a funny name!!!

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  • Kris

    Kris 

    For those wishing to market their work: Perhaps--if there isn't one already--you could start a Shameless Self Promotion group?

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    • Robin S

      Robin S 

      The group is started....

      http://www.shelfari.com/groups/31951/about

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  • Robin S

    Robin S 

    Great idea Kris - I just made a group - people might want to "nudge" people to it.
    ---
    Robin Sullivan
    robin.sullivan.dc@gmail.com | www.michaelsullivan-author.com
    Medieval Fantasy Series: The Crown Conspiracy (Oct 2008) | Avempartha (April 2009)

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  • Donald Michael Platt

    Donald Michael Platt 

    For this group in the area of Shameless Self-Promotion, would it be a good idea for us to have what I experienced in the Chiller Group? I was invited to be "Author of the Month" for November, and I answered questions about my novel, A GATHERING OF VULTURES, and the craft of writing. It was a delightful experience.

    I think all authors here would be willing to make themselves available for a month-long chat. I would be for my soon to be available HF novel set in 17th centruy Spain, ROCAMORA.

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    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      Works for me. Who starts?

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  • Donald Michael Platt

    Donald Michael Platt 

    I'll volunteer for January or February 2009.

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    • apokalypsis

      apokalypsis 

      Donald--

      If I have understood your most recent posts correctly, I think you may need to revisit the description of this group. "Writing Readers" is primarily designed to support discussion of the writing craft, so people can improve their own work. There is not an "area of Shameless Self-Promotion" -- there is a discussion thread. If you are looking for more opportunities to promote your work (besides posting a note in that thread), this is not the group to do it in.

      If you (and/or others) take it upon yourself to start "volunteering" to do author features in this group, I will continue to follow the above-mentioned policy and delete them.

      posted 12 months ago. ( reply )
  • Donald Michael Platt

    Donald Michael Platt 

    I should have added with moderators' approval to the above posts. I thought it would have been assumed. FYI, I was invited by the moderator to be an Author of the Month for the other group.

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  • Ray K

    Ray K 

    Agreed. I'll keep to the shameless path

    posted 12 months ago. ( reply )
  • Pat Lewin

    Pat Lewin (edited)

    I'm new to the site and group and trying to figure out the guidelines. I understand the whole issue about self-promotion, but what about talking about craft books? If I name books that really helped me, is that considered cluttering up the group posts?

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    • apokalypsis

      apokalypsis 

      Pat--

      Sharing about craft books that helped you is a good idea. That fits squarely in the mutually beneficial category. The whole idea here is that this forum is not so much a place to promote your own work, but a place to discuss the writing craft.

      (Now of course, if someone comes along and promotes a craft book that they themselves wrote as the book that helped them the most, we will all doubt their sincerity. Something about the book not existing to help them write it...)

      Actually, it might be fun to have a discussion thread about favorite/least-favorite craft books. I mean, did "Bird by Bird" help you as much as "Writing the Breakout Novel"? This could also be a valuable public service since the "group shelf" is completely out of control. (I used to try cleaning it up so it only displayed craft books, but it takes way too much time.)

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  • Pat Lewin

    Pat Lewin 

    Thanks, apokalypsis. I was actually thinking about starting a thread about "craft" books. (And no, I've never written one.) <g> I've been doing this writing thing for about twenty years now and have literally dozens of writing books. I also teach creative writing at a local community college, so I've had a lot of exposure to craft books. So, I'm off to start a thread.

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  • Illegal Pad Publishing

    Illegal Pad Publishing 

    I find it unnerving that people on a book site in a book forum would find an author posting information about their new book "spam" or "free advertising." I would think most would regard it as an informative introduction about the work and a direct link to the author for discussion. This is a unique opportunity potential readers do not get from a paid advertisement on a website.

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  • Michael G

    Michael G 

    IPP, if you find a discussion group's membership reluctance to read an unrelenting stream of self-serving blurbs to be unnerving, I wonder how you responded to the rest of the world's events during 2008.

    The problem with people posting their information on a site dedicated to discussing writing is pretty soon there's nothing there but people plugging their books. Before long, people will stop using that site. The administrator will start a new group, which will flourish, until the published writers track it down, and the cycle begins anew. You can understand why self-promoting authors soon become treated as akin to a virus. (I should know, I'm one of them myself!).

    There is a new discussion group devoted to writers plugging their own books. It's called, not surprisingly, Shameless Self-Promotion.

    Michael
    zenithrising.webs.com

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    • Sig  Rosenblum

      Sig Rosenblum 

      I have to agree--reluctantly--that reining authors in is best. Of course, the ideal would be the "Greek mean"--or moderation in all things. But can we trust in voluntary moderation?

      I myself have tried to have a light touch when mentioning my books even though I am a former "killer copywriter" who knows how to turn up the promotional heat. But this enforced isolation of authors is, on balance, a good thing. KindleBoards has found that to be true, as well, and lets each author have one thread for each book. And, for me, it actually helped sales!

      Authors--I take it--can still sound off in any group, just as long as they don't mention their titles. Then, both writers and readers benefit nicely.

      Sig

      posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
  • Barbara Hudgins

    Barbara Hudgins 

    I'm not quite sure where this shameless self-promotion place is or what it is supposed to do. I just signed on to Shelfari and am wandering around. I am also on a publishers list called publishingandpromoting@yahoogroups.com and I have to delete every other post because they are simply blurbs for someone's book or book signing. But there are informative posts and some good contacts also. Most the people on that list have books put out by "self=publishing companies" like Xlibris and iuniverse.

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    • Robin S

      Robin S 

      The shameless Self promotion is a group where authors can post about their books.

      Here is a link

      http://www.shelfari.com/groups/31951/about

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  • Carolyn S 

    I am a new member of your group and just stopped by to read what you had to say. I am here to learn and grow. To find out what people are reading. I love to read. I love to write. I've had some poems published. Nothing else. I thought your group looked interesting. I can be shamless or shameful. Whatever is needed. I will be back to read again soon.

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  • Anne G

    Anne G 

    Hello all!

    I am a new member to Shelfari, and I am very excited to be joining this group! I am a lover of reading and writing. I am currently writing two short stories and also in the making of a novel. I have also written poems and comedy scetches. I was very happy to hear that there was a group like this (I thought that if there wasn't one, I'd create it myself!). I will show you all some of my work and will love to hear yours! Thanks!

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  • Anne G

    Anne G 

    I am also a new member, and was very glad to hear that there was a group for writers. I am a lover of books, and have different types of work I'm continuing. I am certain that I will have fun reading and sharing work with you all!

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  • Max B

    Max B 

    I am up to my ears in Charles Dickens and Thomas Hardy. Who is the more sympathetic character, Pip in Great Expectations or Tess in Tess of the D'Urbervilles?

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  • Anne G

    Anne G (edited)

    Well, I personally have a soft soft for Pip; he grew up with an abusive family member, and worked so hard to become a gentleman to impress the woman of his dreams, just to be let down. And then to top it all off, wacthed his father figure (and, not to mention, the money promised to him) die right by his side. Who can not feel sympathetic for a guy like that?

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  • bookmac

    bookmac (edited)

    I just joined this group and I gather that I must not tell you about my book, its honors won and its subsequent lousy sales unless you ask (even though I just did). I enjoy talking about good writing, especially that kind, new or old, I know something about or have retained from a teaching career in Literature, or that kind I'm currently trying to find publication for (a story for sub-teen school kids).
    So ask if you will, we'll seewhat happens.

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    • uplandpoet

      uplandpoet 

      bookmac, did you read the instructions? you may post info about your book at shameless self promotion threads here and in many other grouops. what most groups, including this one, if i understand my friend the moderator, is start a new thread devoted to you or your books, nor blantantly promote your books on other unrelated threads. i dont think many people would be offended if, in the course of a discussion about outdoor non fiction writing, you mentioned that you had recently published, say, "my life chasing the great mountian goats across serbia" and how well it was selling and that it recieved the pulitzer for journalism or whatever, but just to blast us with that info is always annoying.

      posted 11 months ago. ( reply )
  • Sam M

    Sam M 

    Here's something my experience taught me. I have met with a few people inside the industry connected with being somewhat of a Forrest Gump that has brushed up against some high level people in the industry. If you self publish your book through a small publishing house do NOT let them use a team of editors to complete your book. For instance one person looks at the book makes his imput and passes you on to the next person. They all do it and it never works. It's not what the big boys do. The big boys give you a person to see the project all the way through.
    Next, if you research a little you will find you can get your book printed on line by print on demand or e book for around $1,500. It automatically goes on Amazon and there is no mimimum. When somebody orders a book, it is printed goes to the person's house that ordered it.
    Next Read read read read... it will inspire you. No such thing as writers block..any more than there is ditch diggers block.. if you don't FEEL the ditch start digging
    Have fun good luck

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    • Robin S

      Robin S 

      You DO NOT have to spend $1,500 to get your book available through POD. Lightning Source offers a $75 setup fee and CreateSpace offers a free setup ($40 if you do the advanced option which gives you a bigger Amazon discount.

      ---
      Robin Sullivan | www.write2publish.blogspot.com | www.michaelsullivan-author.com
      Medieval Fantasy Series: The Crown Conspiracy (Oct 2008) | Avempartha (April 2009)

      posted 11 months ago. ( reply )
  • Lily S

    Lily S 

    I agree with Kris. Maybe if I don't find another shameless self-promotion group, I'll start one. Most authors don't have thousands to spend on advertising so we need all the help we can get.

    posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
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  • Sincerely J

    Sincerely J 

    If anyone is an aspiring writer I recommend reading, Julia Cameron's, The Artists Way (among her other work). This book introduced the theory of morning pages which is also suggested by many other successful authors and has helped me to start the most painful part of the writing process....finishing something!

    posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
  • Jacqui C

    Jacqui C 

    My daughter bought me Julia Cameron's book when I began my first novel. I found it very inspirational. I know you aren't supposed to go back and read your morning pages but I have and even picked up a few threads for my writing.

    posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
  • Josh S

    Josh S 

    hear! hear!

    posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
  • Kathy-Diane L

    Kathy-Diane L 

    The biggest seller for any book is word of mouth. We're deluged by so much spam, no one has the patience any more for shameless self-promotion. I think it really works against a writer in the end. I'm glad you're setting boundaries.

    posted 10 months ago. ( reply )
  • Michael G

    Michael G 

    Kathy-Diane's observation struck a note with me, and I thought I would respond. On the way to the bottom of this string, however, I stopped and reread Apokalysis' introductory comments. (Some background information: shortly after my novel was released I was invited to join this discussion group, and noticing the "Shameless Self-Promotion" string, added my announcement to the list. Shortly thereafter we were collectively called on the carpet).

    Apokalypsis wrote: "It seems to me that web forums operate on a principle of mutual benefit. I am more likely to become interested in someone's work because I have had a lively discussion with them than because they put up an ad for it."

    I took the message to heart, and started making cheerful, upbeat, ideally likeable posts to this and various other groups. The result of this line of thinking is that I, a notoriously bleak, dark, and pessimistic personality, have started viewing my world through the eyes of the cheerful, upbeat and likeable character I created in the interests of self promotion.

    Interesting, no? I just hope it won't harm my writing . . .

    Michael
    www.zenithrising.webs.com

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    • uplandpoet

      uplandpoet 

      i think a more sincere take on who you are might be both helpful to sales and to the threads, but as an annoyingly cheerful person by nature, i am glad to hear you are drifting over to the "happy" side:)

      posted 9 months ago. ( reply )
  • BrooklynAnn S

    BrooklynAnn S 

    Just got back on the net after a five year hiatus... would like to talk with writers about writing and reading... I hope i'm in the right place

    posted 9 months ago. ( reply )
  • Georgia DiPirro

    Georgia DiPirro 

    When I called Mr. Allen to ask for a copy of THE CREED OF VIOLENCE to read and write about, I was not sure he’d be that generous. I thought I’d track my way to that question by talking up all the e-mails and replies to the article I’d interviewed him for, THE AUTHOR WHO DOESN’T EXIST, but he was already well aware of the responses.

    “You and writers like yourself,” he said, “are the future. The world you inhabit, using the internet as a launching pad for ideas and careers, that’s the future.”

    He went on. “The whole system of submissions to editors and agents, where you have to wait for as long as a year before you get a response to your work, if you get one at all is, in part, a graveyard. It is, was, a hierarchic chain that can leave the writer helpless and forever waiting, forever struggling… I am firmly convinced that system kills more good writers than it creates.”

    He kept on with unreserved enthusiasm about the internet being the modern battlefield where writers get to test their craft and ingenuity through connection with an audience. And that a Blog or a Facebook can break through the silence of the world and begat a writer as reliably as the published word. That, in effect, is a good thing, and the effect of which will, in the end, create more good writers, because it is still, and for always, about words.

    It was also, he believed, important for a writer beyond the opportunity to glamorize oneself. It was a way to muscle up your thoughts. To practice self reliance. And self reliance is important in fine writers. And no less important than sincerity.

    It was also a means to sincerely scrutinize comments and differentiate between the good and the ill. A way to discover one’s voice and point of view. To get in touch with the rhythm of your talents as they wash upon the shore of a reading public.

    And most of all, it forces the writer to test being unafraid, unafraid of who you are and unafraid of being different. Even at the risk of being wrong, or misunderstood, or overlooked.

    “There is beauty,” he said, “in all that, because all that is a conscientious assault on the existing status quo. The internet gives you the ability to present yourself in an intelligent and impassioned way. To propagate changes in style and approach, in theme and content. And these are assaults on the status quo, that will in time reinvent the status quo.”

    __________________________



    As we concluded up our conversation I asked, “How is Boston doing?”

    He answered, as always, “Boston is fine.”

    “You still never say he’s doing fine. Or---“

    He interrupted, “Or she’s doing fine. Nor, for that matter, they are doing fine.”

    He laughed whimsically. “Right?” he said.

    He had taken direct aim at my article.

    “Right,” I said.

    “Before I get off the phone, let me tell you a story,” he said. “It’s about The Creed of Violence, which, by the way, I will send you to read and write about. In your fashion.”

    posted 9 months ago. ( reply )
  • Snoddgrass II

    Snoddgrass II (edited)

    No one's talking about writing anymore :/ It's all self-promotion now.

    posted 9 months ago. ( reply )
  • MPennDesigns

    MPennDesigns 

    I agree. No dialogue, no sales, huh? Smile. I think I will stick to reading for now and try to refrain from commenting but I wanted to let you know I a appreciate you writers.

    posted 9 months ago. ( reply )
  • John Henry Clark

    John Henry Clark 

    I am a writer and I am published, but as I can see we have a chance to talk about writing, which is the thing we love to do or we would not do it in the first place. I will be around later when it's not to late.

    posted 7 months ago. ( reply )
  • Jared Hugh Bohland

    Jared Hugh Bohland 

    I am new to this whole shelfari deal. I must say that when I first saw the whole shameless self promotion thread I thought two things: 1) How does this thread even exist and 2)Do any of them really think that it will work on a thread that everyone is writing on simply to promote themselves. Hilarious.

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    • apokalypsis

      apokalypsis 

      Ha ha ha! Well, I think many of us love what we write enough to want everyone else to read it. If we didn't have a "shameless self-promotion" thread, this forum would quickly be overwhelmed by promo-spam.

      This is also a way for writers with publishing credits to introduce themselves, and for a forum user to know a bit more about who's commenting and how much experience they have.

      Perhaps better yet, coming out in the SS-P thread de-anonymizes a user (unless they publish pseudonymously). Knowing that other people know your real name could help cut down on trollishness.

      That said, I haven't heard any testimonies of this forum becoming a "cash cow" for anyone. The people who participate regularly in "Writing Readers" seem to be interested in improving their craft and/or sharing lessons they've learned the hard way.

      posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
    • Michael G

      Michael G 

      Well, here's my testimonial. My submissions to this thread have directly resulted in sales of over 10,000 copies of my novel, "Zenith Rising." Did I mention I write fiction?

      posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Max B

    Max B 

    Can anyone tell me about John Steinbeck? What awful experiences in his early life inspired him to create what must be the slimiest female character ever known? The creepy Kate in East of Eden.

    posted 4 months ago. ( reply )
  • Ray F 

    You know, I don't understand why no one acknowledges the fact that not all shameless self-promoters are delusional spammers. I mean, a large number of posts are awkward and tentative--a sign that the authors aren't confident about what they are doing. Say you're an indie author (or any author) who has written a book--then what? It's only natural that you'd want to get the word out. Where is an obvious place to post? Oh, I don't know...the forums at Amazon, or twitterbuzz at Smashwords, or perhaps the groups at SHELFARI? Yes, probably the majority of indie work is dreck, but look at the garbage the major publishing houses put out each year. Having said all that (whew, thanks), couldn't authors simply add their own work to their Shelfari bookshelf and use that as a platform? Last, you'll notice on my bookshelf an indie book (not by me or someone I know personally) that I consider far more entertaining than past bestsellers like "Moonlight Becomes You" or "Angels and Demons".

    posted 2 months ago. ( reply )
  • apokalypsis

    apokalypsis 

    I think most people in this group have recognized that the intent of having a thread for "shameless self-promotion" is so that people have an appropriate place to promote their work on Shelfari, without making it difficult for those who want to discuss the writing craft to find relevant threads. While I might have stated my position pretty strongly at the opening post of this thread, I do not assume that any self-promoters work is necessarily of low or high quality. It's just that we have a lot of other things we want to talk about, too -- and other subjects fall off the first discussion page if everyone posts their own thread for their book.

    Judging that "deactivated member" is no longer with us, I can only conclude that either A) they didn't like the way we do things here, and went off in search of greener pastures, or B) someone complained about their activity to the Shelfari gods and got them kicked out. I don't recall any inappropriate use of this forum from [name redacted=deactivated member], so I don't know how/why/if they got the boot.

    Anyway, it seems that plenty of us are having fun on this discussion forum, so continued thanks to our members for understanding how things work.

    posted 2 months ago. ( reply )
  • Alexa Carosella

    Alexa Carosella 

    Thanks. Point made and well taken.

    posted 2 months ago. ( reply )
  • Harriet L

    Harriet L 

    The Death of Ivan Iijevich by Tolstoy
    Briliant


    Anybody ever scutinised his psycological examination of the way peple hide their innermost thoughts fr Others?


    OK

    taking on board everything written b4; i think its true to say its HARD and takes a lot to overcome for writers to get their stuff over to the public
    and to be able to at the same time to engage and also to b appreciated
    It must be really HARD

    posted 2 weeks ago. ( reply )
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